I Looked Around the Internet to Find Lists & Recommendations for Anime Love Stories and Found the Lists Quite Useless; So I Made My Own (Happy Valentine’s Day!)

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I don’t know, maybe it’s because a lot of the people making these lists (or voting in these lists) know little about actual romance (or it may just be that I completely suck at research) . But then again, love stories prey on the inexperienced – inspiring fantasy in those who love the idea of love, rather than portray a cinematic version of the truth.

I realize that the thing about my dissatisfaction with these lists (and the shows I often see in them) has to do with a certain maturity, having gone through my own romances in life and therefore having a perspective of what moments ring true and how such stories play out.

I won’t dwell on what I think of the lists I came across, the people who made them, and the shows I found in them. There are dynamics there that I don’t fully understand, and I feel I’ve condescended quite enough (which is not my intention in this post) anyway. Instead, I offer my own list of shows that I feel has a strong ring of truth in them in their love stories, that I can enjoy them as such, even if perhaps the shows they belong to are not romance shows to begin with.

To give some perspective, here’s a short list of films that are (or have) love stories that I resonate with (in no particular order):

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It’s not like I can’t enjoy fluffier fare such as Shakespeare in Love, 10 Things I Hate About You, Roman Holiday, Sabrina, and Breakfast at Tiffany’s – but films from the above incomplete list are ones that gave me pretty strong feelings without breaking my brain.

I’m not technically comparing the above films to the anime I consume, they’re just there to give a handle of what kinds of love stories I feel strongly about. 10 years ago, Before Sunset would already have been there, as well as Greencard; but it took subsequent rewatches and the like over the next decade to confirm my tastes for the other films. But 10 years ago my list would also have stuff I’d be very embarrassed to mention now (due the romantic idiocy of the content). Hence, why I don’t really want to condescend here (though I don’t think I was able to avoid doing so) any further than I already have.

Without further ado, here are anime shows that I think well of in terms of the love stories therein. [SPOILERS HIDDEN, click and drag to select text to read]

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Kare Kano

I immediately thought that it had one of the most intelligent takes on adolescence. Even if the characters themselves don’t resemble anyone I’ve ever known in high school, Miyazawa Yukino in particular is presented in such a complete and entertaining characterization that I easily swallow the histrionics involved in her romance with Arima Sochiro.

The extremities in their characterization actually serve to make the “realer” aspects of their romance stand out in high relief, and I can easily think of at least two moments that I was fully convinced of the show’s powers.

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Toradora!

This show contains many things I’ve little patience for (a dragged-out realization by the characters regarding who they really love), but the show did well to make the characters very endearing. The high school love geometry does get some complexity without giving the lead male an implausible harem of admirers.

That said, I think the romance in the show (however nice) is secondary to what I find wonderful in its depiction of friendship, and of family.

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Bakemonogatari

What compels me to the love story herein is the power, haughtiness and vulnerability on one side of the love story that is patient, kind, (even if otherwise cruel), and nurturing of the love and person on the other side.

There’s a ton of male wish-fulfillment here, but again the outlandishness of the characterization brings out what I find precious: that from a very hetero-male perspective, it is the woman who makes us feel the very best about ourselves.

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Hataraki Man

Best fucking downer love story. I appreciate how neither partner is vilified or accused of causing the breakdown of what started as an already troubled relationship. Perhaps love story isn’t appropriate here, save for the massive amount of respect and regard I feel coming from both sides of the dead romance.

It’s what adds the pain to the outcome: that these are good people who quite deserve to be happy together, but find it impossible to anyway.

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The strengths of this love story in particular is rooted in the contrivances of its fantasy/SF setting, giving the characters what seems to be a great barrier that they’ve overcome; that there’s an unspoken thing in the universe that tells them that they shouldn’t be together, and yet they are.

This is interesting to me because it is all a matter of world-building and character nuance. There are no external conflicts or pressures that pry them apart. If anything the supporting cast is indeed quite supportive of their relationship. That said, there are moments big and quiet wherein the person who we are teased with as viewers gets to show strong feeling and love. This is the source of the romantic magic in the show.

Everything in the setting and story makes for an unreal cast that shows what feels to be a very real love.

I suppose I should include Honey and Clover, but I don’t really identify with most of the characters in the throes of their love stories… I enjoyed that show on almost in an entirely voyeuristic level. Also, Planetes – but since it sunk my ship I don’t have the same kind of affinity with the OTP despite both characters being awesome.

Like in film, I’m perfectly able to enjoy a fluffier love stories (Macross’ love triangles, Gundam 00’s Patrick x Kati, and a whole fleet of blush porn – the anime staple), but the above examples gave me what I feel are the things that ring true in love, as much as I’ve known it in my life.

I’m lucky that way. Happy Valentine’s Day from GMT+8. What shows would you recommend to me? To check what I’ve seen, here’s my anime list.

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63 Responses to I Looked Around the Internet to Find Lists & Recommendations for Anime Love Stories and Found the Lists Quite Useless; So I Made My Own (Happy Valentine’s Day!)

  1. Sorrow-kun says:

    I understand the justification for it, but it still makes me a bit eeky to call Hataraki Man a love story. It’s a very mature take on balancing work life and relationships, but to take it that step further and call it a “love story”. I think I’d prefer to say it’s “about love”.

    Some damn good anime on this list. I really enjoyed the smart melodrama of Toradora, even if I don’t think it’s quite as good as ef – a tale of memories’ flavour of romantic melodrama. I’d also add Nodame Cantabile to the list, for being a romance between two very dynamic and interesting characters (which is kinda rare in anime).

    As far as recommendations go, I’ll start with Koi Kaze, far and away anime’s best take on forbidden love. Also, for one of my favourite downer romances, I really loved Bokura ga Ita, which seems to be hit-and-miss among a lot of watchers. It’s such a soft and tender anime that isn’t afraid to kick you in the balls when the situations calls for it.

    • I failed to clarify that I did not intend to make this an exercise of genre categorization (a pet peeve of mine). I apologize for raising this wrong kind of ruckus.

      I should have said “shows that have love stories” and not have implied “shows that are love stories.” I only mean the former.

      I want to mention NC, but I am incapable of enjoying any other iteration than the live action version. Even the manga bores me, as opposed to the live which is one of my most favorite things to ever come out of Japan ever.

      I’ve been recommended ef before, given how often it gets recommended to me I should really log it on my backlog. What kind of forbidden love is in Koi Kaze? I don’t think I can enjoy lolicon or incest — and I say this without casting aspersions to the quality of the work (I’ve read Nabokov’s many many times and I loved it, but I think I’ve used up all my enjoyment ability for such kinds of “forbidden love”). If I enjoy ef, I’ll probably look up Bokura ga ita.

      I should at least take a couple of recommendations here and report back next Feb 12. Thanks!

  2. Mystlord says:

    Planetes as a love story? Eh, that’s not what I saw it focusing on, though elements were certainly present. I’d just echo Sorrow’s call for Nodame Cantabile and ef. Also, I wonder how much you can really consider Bakemonogatari a love story. Sure it starts, is interspersed with, and ends with Araragi and Hitagi, but there’s just so much else going on, that I’m not sure you can consider it a love story in the sense that the other anime in your list are. Still an interesting relationship though.

    • Myssa Rei says:

      … Planetes? A Love Story? Sure, if you look at Space as a woman (more so in the manga than the anime).

      • I failed to clarify that I did not intend to make this an exercise of genre categorization (a pet peeve of mine). I apologize for raising this wrong kind of ruckus.

        I should have said “shows that have love stories” and not have implied “shows that are love stories.” I only mean the former.

    • I failed to clarify that I did not intend to make this an exercise of genre categorization (a pet peeve of mine). I apologize for raising this wrong kind of ruckus.

      I should have said “shows that have love stories” and not have implied “shows that are love stories.” I only mean the former.

      Like Macross is a love story set against a background of great battles, Bakemonogatari is a love story set against the background of ghost busting. Clearly, there’s a lot more robot battle stuff and space opera in Macross than there is ghost busting in Bakemonogatari. Nonetheless, I don’t mind if you or others insist that it isn’t a love story. I only care that it has a love story.

  3. Baka-Raptor says:

    ef – a tale of memories

    • I would say this myself, but the reasons I love ef primarily don’t directly involve romance. Like, the romance is great, but why it is is not something exclusive to romance. Or something.

      • Baka-Raptor says:

        My alley-oop to digitalboy lands out of bounds.

        • Hehehe. It’s really close, but I dunno… ef is one of those hsows that has such strong meaning to me in one area that it overshadows the others. It was my favorite anime for quite a while for the message about following your dreams and living how you feel you really should in your heart. Those things lead to some great romances, especially in the case of Miyako and Hiro, but it’s the meaning of their romances in their individual lives that makes me adore it rather than the act of them coming together in itself, if that makes sense.

          The show is most certainly romantic, but not in the same way as Valentine’s Day. It’s a romance for people who would never even think about Valentine’s Day because their head is too stuck in their own passion, hehe.

    • sadakups says:

      Also known as 50 First Dates the anime. Well, the concept, that is for the other pairing.

      Seriously though, this was the show that I initially thought was just another high school anime but turned out way, way better than that. That cellphone scene and the 100-credit call, just unforgettable. I’d consider this to be a darker romance show.

    • Noted, as I said to Sorrow_kun, I should be able to blog it by next year’s post.

  4. glothelegend says:

    Hataraki Man = Awesome show completely underrated….Kuragehime kind of reminded me of it. I wish they’d continue it, I can’t seem to find the manga anywhere.

    • Yes, I also have trouble hunting down the manga in any form. It never occurred to me to relate/compare Kuragehime to Hataraki Man, hmmm. It’s an interesting thought though. Care to say more?

  5. steelbound says:

    I normally just silently lurk here since I often feel out of my league in terms of comment quality but this time I just had to add my 2 cents.

    The absolute best anime love story that I’ve seen is between Nagisa and Tomoya in Clannad/Clannad After Story. I think I’ve never seen two anime characters that so thoroughly loved each other. It takes a little while to thin the herd of wannabe matches but when the story moves past high school life and transitions the characters to adulthood there really isn’t any show that can compare.

    Another show I’d recommend is Arakawa Under the Bridge. It’s an off-beat Shinbou show but watching the deepening relationship between Nino and Recruit was just a heart-warming and sweet experience.

    • If you read often enough, I often comment like a ‘tard too. I’d like to think I keep a casual and relaxed environment for discussion; and while I obviously treasure the insightful commentary, I crave any kind of discussion… as it is the primary motivation for me to run this blog (outside of Macross advocacy hehe).

      I am not into the Key Game adaptations, so I don’t think I’m ready for Clannad anytime soon (I say this without casting aspersions at it; I have no informed opinion on such shows). I did not enjoy Arakawa UtB when I tried watching it. I simply wasn’t able to stomach another aggravated and wailing Kamiya Hiroshi character. Perhaps in a few years, I can look it up. Thanks for the recs though, I’d be interested if you have more.

      (See? My response isn’t particularly intelligent. It’s just pulling out the subjective taste card)

  6. The shows on this list are good and a lot of other shows mentioned in the comments are good romances, but Toradora is the only show I can really say I love for the romance before any other element. ef, Bakemonogatari, and Honey and Clover which you mentioned, and I’d throw in Eureka Seven too, sure have great romances, but I don’t necessarily think of them as “romance anime.”

    Some of the others just aren’t ones I love. Koi Kaze is amazing, but not a favorite. Kare Kano has the issue of the anime making me hate it.

    But Toradora, through and through I love it because of the romance between Ryuuji and Taiga.

    • Talho x ghostlightningHolland was pretty good, as it was a story of Talho saving Holland from himself. Renton x Eureka had its sweet moments, but is otherwise boring. I was more interested in the family dynamic they had to build due to Eureka’s circumstances, than Renton trying to romance her (both of them sucked at it anyway). Dominic x Anemone had a GREAT moment, but everything before that was painful to watch (in many ways).

      Also,

      I failed to clarify that I did not intend to make this an exercise of genre categorization (a pet peeve of mine). I apologize for raising this wrong kind of ruckus.

      I should have said “shows that have love stories” and not have implied “shows that are love stories.” I only mean the former.

      As for Toradora!, I liked the love story enough, but I liked it for the other stuff that surrounded it.

    • Jack says:

      I don’t know if it would be possible to ‘love’ a work such as “Koi Kaze” considering that it’s meant to make the audience feel somewhat uncomfertable.

      It’s not the kind of thing that you would wish to revisit often, even it’s extremely serious, focused and better written than the vast majority of anime romance scenarios.

  7. Ansir says:

    Romance sucks no offense. Love is blind.

  8. keiko777 says:

    I’ve got to say NANA is my favorite romance anime (even though it is more of a drama than a romance, and certainly doesn’t push the message that there is such a thing as ‘true’ or eternal love). It felt so genuine to me though, and I was moved. I can’t say the same thing about Toradora; certain moments struck me, but in general I was just annoyed at how badly Taiga treated Ryuuji, and how the show played it off as comedy. I really enjoyed the romance in Bakemonogatari, though.

    • I haven’t seen the show, but I’m retarded for the manga. The thing is, the biggest love story there is one of friendship between Hatchi and Nana. I find it brilliant how Hatchi turned up to be the strong and mature heroine of the story. It is soooooo vindicating.

      Otherwise, I don’t think much of Nana x Ren, because I think Nana was an idiot and Ren was a weakling. Takumi and Hatchi are far more interesting, though Baldy’s quiet little romance always makes me smile.

  9. megaroad1 says:

    Kare Kano is definitely one of the better anime/anime out there with a compelling love story. What I like most about it, is that it instead of having the characters hookup as the end/goal (and hence the implication that the characters will live happily everafter), becoming a couple is just the start in the adventures of Miyazawa and Arima. The difficult bit is maintaining that love in spite of work, family and whatever inner demons they might have.

    • Same, and I’m glad I went ahead and read the manga because the show ended in an incredible trainwreck.

      • aelfwyne says:

        Just finished Kare Kano a few days ago before I found this blog. I think it’s an overlooked classic, and in some ways it felt like watching an early 2000s anime, not a 1990s one. Loved it, and have already started the manga since I too really wasn’t satisfied with the ending and heard it was dealt with better in the manga.

        So… Guess I’ll have to take the advice here on some of the other shows. Have already seen Toradora! but not some of these others.

        • Thanks. You’ll do well to read the KK manga I think. I liked how it made me forget about the mess that was the anime non-ending.

          For these shows, just consider that they are anime with love stories, as opposed to being anime love stories so as to manage your expectations.

  10. sadakups says:

    There are some good shoujo out there that do romance well. Aside from those already mentioned, there’s a very good rom-com in Lovely Complex though it’s more comedy than romance.

    Kaichou wa Maid-sama is in the same field, and the final episode is probably the most sugar-rush I had in watching an anime.

  11. 2DT says:

    I like this list, but I wonder: Is Valentine’s Day about “real” romance anyway, or is it about the way the world feels when you’re young and in love? In which case, the most representative of the lot is probably Toradora. The stuff leading up to Ryuuji and Taiga’s near-elopement especially radiates that special teenage myopia.

    As Good As It Gets is one of my favorites, too! :) Despite my generally low interest in mecha, we intersect in this strange way, in our taste in love stories.

    • You are right, that Valentine’s Day fare is for the idealized, fluffy stuff. I did my best to be careful to not cast aspersions towards that kind of story or show, but in hindsight I don’t think I was successful.

      I do mean to say that I do enjoy these kinds of shows too, but it also needs to be said that these aren’t the kinds of shows that provide lasting impressions. What I find interesting now is how exploitable this “quality” is. The lack of lasting impressions, combined for an ever-present um, lack of hostility to the idea love and romance, means such fluff can be served again and again and again, year after year, holiday after holiday, with Valentine’s Day and Christmas being the zeniths on near opposite-ends of the year.

  12. Shinmaru says:

    Before Sunrise and Before Sunset are so wonderful. <3 As a totally awkward dipshit, I also resonate with Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind a bit too much lol.

    I'd say Kare Kano is my favorite pure romance series in anime, just because it nails everything SO well even though it explodes at the end. Give me a transcendent first half and a meh second half; I'd take that over just about anything airing today.

    • I liked ESotSM too, though I never got as moved by it as many have.

      I first saw Before Sunrise just before I started college, and in hindsight I realize I’ve tried to be Jesse: took literature as a major; wanted to be a writer; wrote poems like the milkshake one (forever a favorite scene of mine amongst all movies, all years); I’ve tried to talk like him the way he talked to Celine: rambling and intellectual, with a lot of what-ifs and such.

      During those first months, anyone who had seen the film then met me would’ve thought of me as a huge poser. But given how long ago this was, and how real it became as a part of my life and personality… I kind of feel awesome about it.

      I suppose I should congratulate myself for not turning into Before Sunset Jesse; and perhaps for being, on some of my very best days, becoming more like Before Sunrise Celine:

      I believe if there’s any kind of God it wouldn’t be in any of us, not you or me but just this little space in between. If there’s any kind of magic in this world it must be in the attempt of understanding someone sharing something. I know, it’s almost impossible to succeed but who cares really? The answer must be in the attempt.

      What she said is a kind of ethos that lives not only in WRL but how I interact with people when I’m not being a jerk.

      As for Kare Kano, have you read the manga? I recommend it.

      [EDIT]

      I found a transcript of the poem:

      Daydream delusion, limousine eyelash / Oh baby with your pretty face / Drop a tear in my wineglass / Look at those big eyes / See what you mean to me / Sweet-cakes and milkshakes / I’m a delusion angel / I’m a fantasy parade / I want you to know what I think / Don’t want you to guess anymore / You have no idea where I came from / We have no idea where we’re going / Lodged in life / Like branches in a river/ Flowing downstream / Caught in the current / I carry you / You’ll carry me / That’s how it could be / Don’t you know me? / Don’t you know me by now?

  13. Martin says:

    I can’t disagree with any of these. Just for a change, I can also say I’ve seen them all…with the exception of Banner. I did enjoy Crest of the Stars and its portrayal of the leads’ relationship though.

    The only titles I’d add to the list are Tokyo Marble Chocolate and REC…both are a little fantastical an improbable at points, but the settings are fairly realistic and the characters likable. I can’t judge whether a fictitious portrayal of romance is ‘realistic’ or not but they’re convincing enough for me.

    • Hehe, it’s a pretty conservative list I think.

      Banner II and III ZOMG super kyaa I can’t even say how much adskjhkljhdgjhsdhggh and yes, still srsfknbsns.

      I failed to connect with TMC at all, and I’ve only caught snippets of REC on Animax. Someday, maybe this year… so I can blog them for next Valentine’s.

  14. ToastCrust says:

    I want to second the recommendation on REC too. It’s a very nice story, neither too bright nor too dark. It’s succinct and the sort of anime adaptation quality that should be aimed for more often. I can’t say, however, that the manga material beyond what the anime covered was something I found all too great, on the other hand.

    I can’t say there have been many other romances that have really stuck in my mind. I very rarely ship, haha. Other than that long lost ship of Minmay.

    All my relationships have been pretty neutral that weren’t particularly fantastic or involved with great disappointment, since they essentially just end due to distance or mutual disinterest, so it’s hard for me to get into that blush porn but the romance failures never really get to me either. That’s probably why.

    Without a doubt, I’m affected far more by stories like Leon the Professional, or things that just feature familial love and strong bonds of friendship, such as Gungrave. Each probably warrant an article on their own, though, haha.

    • I can’t comment on (or refuse to, anyway) the quality of love stories in Macross. They’re probably not very good, I’m almost certain of it, but I can’t really care because I’m ridiculously in love with them anyway lols.

      Ok, I think I’ll take on Rec and ef, which are kind of awesome in their monosyllabic glory. Thanks.

  15. drmchsr0 says:

    …Godannar.

    It’s about relationships and probably love.

  16. ojisan says:

    It’s a very good list. And leading it with Kare Kano gets you top marks from me.

    I’d quibble about Harataki Man – really, the slow death of her ongoing relationship and the bare beginnings of a new one are backgrounded in almost all of the episodes – but really, ANY notice or publicity for Hataraki Man should be welcomed.

    • I failed to clarify that I did not intend to make this an exercise of genre categorization (a pet peeve of mine). I apologize for raising this wrong kind of ruckus.

      I should have said “shows that have love stories” and not have implied “shows that are love stories.” I only mean the former.

      Ah the hope is delicious in that ending… but I also relish in believing that both those idiots are excellent at fucking things up. I’m terrible, sorry. I like mr. paparazzo but not for Hiroko, even if he talks like Date Masamune.

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  18. karice says:

    I should get to watching Before Sunrise and Before Sunset. I’ve heard good things about those films too many times now…

    I’m somewhat surprised you prefer the drama version of Nodame to the manga, because I find the depiction of the romances/relationships there far inferior to the manga (it’s just a little too…camp for my liking). Everything else about the drama I loved – it’s definitely much more enjoyable than the anime.

    Completely agree with you that Karekano and Bakemonogatari have two of the most interesting ‘love stories’ in anime (though I haven’t completed the original manga/novels). Shinrei Tantei Yakumo also has some rather subtle relationship/romance development, though it wasn’t a major focus.

    If Kimi wa Pet had an anime, I’d recommend it first – unfortunately, it only has a drama and an English release with a horrendous title. But aside from a pretty incredulous opening, I think it’s pretty realistic, especially for Japan.

    • I tried watching the Kimi Wa Pet drama… can’t stand it.

      I haven’t gotten far along the NC manga … because I’m kinda hamstrung by the fact that I can’t hear what they’re playing (I tried to hunt down the music and listen to them as I read, but this doesn’t really work). I think a manga like Beck: MCS can get away with this, because they’re playing “original” songs (made by the characters), but in NC’s case they’re playing real music. In any case, NC live action got me to watch Cecile Licad perform Rachmaninov Piano Concerto No. 2 live. I CAN NEVER THANK THE SHOW ENOUGH.

      • karice says:

        I should have qualified that to make it clearer that I’m referring to the manga when I recommend Kimi wa Pet. It’s a pity you first encountered it in the, shall we say, highly forgettable drama adaptation, which really doesn’t do it justice at all.

        I guess I really approach the NC manga and drama in different ways – the former for the relationships and the drama for the music.

        Live?! I can only imagine what that was like, as performance videos really cannot capture what you’d see live.

        • I can see what you mean now re NC manga. I’ll want to keep reading it then, though backlogged manga is haaaard to read for me these days due to all the other hobby-related things I do (outside of living my non-hobby life).

          Cecile attacked the big moment (as M. Holstein trained Chiaki in, “motto sexier”) of the first movement in a non-sexy way, that was veeeery intense anyway. Impossible for me to describe.

  19. Ha! There’s nothing I can recommend you since what you’ve seen mirrors what I’ve seen and then some. Besides Toradora! and Kare Kano, I hope that I’ll be able to identify with your tastes in romantic anime more once I’ve stopped faffing about with the other shows on your list and actually watched them.

    On the real world front, Jason’s Lyric is a personal favorite movie of mine that has some very good romantic moments. I don’t really reveal my core non-anime related movie preferences often, so I highly recommend you give it a shot.

  20. Jack says:

    For some reason I completely forgot to bring up Kemonozume, even though it’s a pretty great (if weird) love story.

    In fact, everything about that show is weird and there are plenty of other good reasons to watch that show, which is probably why it only just occurred to me.

  21. kadian1364 says:

    Days late to comment, I’m surprised no one has mentioned True Tears. The high school love-polygon material could have easily sunk into fluffy/soppy eroge-based romance, but it elevates itself with great writing and controlled direction of its melodramatic elements.

    Like comedy shows, great love stories tend to be so much more than just about the romance, which goes to show the value of good writing and script. Most the anime series mentioned here are just excellently written and realized stories.

    • Like comedy shows, great love stories tend to be so much more than just about the romance, which goes to show the value of good writing and script. Most the anime series mentioned here are just excellently written and realized stories.

      Yes, this makes a whole lot of sense.

      I’ll look into True Tears as well, thanks.

  22. soulassassin says:

    Well, being the tube-viewer (local dubs) that I am, I watched some pieces of Karekano and loved it (despite with the sordid issue between Tsuda and Anno over the ending), but it was only with Toradora! that really knocked my socks off. Why? Thanks to the wonderful scripting, people who watched those shows saw a piece of themselves in those characters and able to relate to them on the same wavelength, and then familiar situations and conflicts (both internal and external) they face everyday.

    (A great factoid/coincidence: the Tagalog voice actress who took the voice role of Yukino is also the same VA who played Taiga. A lovely coincidence!)

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