Gundam Villains And Sexual Deviancy (Do They Go Hand In Hand?)

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The top right corner features the image in question that has sparked some pretty interesting discussion

A lot of people have expressed surprise and even shock at this picture of Alejandro and Ribbons hugging that has been inserted into the special edition volumes of Gundam 00 and with it a new layer on top of an implied gay relationship between the two main series villains.  It sort of doesn’t come as a surprise given how they talked to each other, but then while discussing this idea with a friend I started to think more about it and realized that maybe, just maybe it shouldn’t come as a surprise in general.  As I looked back on the history of Gundam Villains I’ve started to notice in them what appeared to be at least one or more tendency’s towards a sexually deviant fetish or impulse, along with a tendency towards the sociopathy that most Gundam villains have been known to suffer from to a degree.  Consider the following that I came up with and maybe have a thought about it yourself and whether it is just sheer coincidence, me thinking to hard about it, or a clear and consistant pattern in building the personality of a Gundam Villains:

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Char’s Deleted Affair with a young Haman Khan

– Char is infamous for being an implied pedophile amongst a fair number of Gundam fans.  His most famous relationship has to have been with young newtype candidate Lalah Sune who would motivate him in much of his future action after his death and perhaps lead to the pedophilic tendencies (ala Humbert Humbert with his childhood crush who would be immortalized in his eyes as forever young and what he would be forever attracted too) in the first place with characters such as a young Haman Khan and of course Quess Pariya in Char’s Counterattack.

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Aina Sahalin in the dress Ginneas picked out for her and made her wear for the Zeon ball.

-Ginneas Sahalin at times appears to have incestious tendencies towards his sister Aina Sahalin, and as another creepy layer to their sibling relationship almost comes across as associating her as the test pilot of his life’s work in the Aspsalus with the Apsalus itself, making you wonder what he was truly in love with.  Creepy….let’s move on…

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Gato strikes a simultaneously heroic and flamboyant pose upon his return to Zeon with the Gundam GP-02A Physalis

– Anavel Gato and Aiguille Delaz both came up with the Operation Stardust plan together, but they almost treat it like it’s a personified concept that they gave birth too in how they relate to each other in their dialogues.  At one point Delaz even seems like he’s getting all flustered over Gato when he says in reply to Gato’s idealism and patriotism, “You’re words are like a pure stream of water flowing from the mouth of a clear river”.  What’s going on there I wonder….if you really want to know try doing a search for Anavel_Gato on Danbooru and see what you come up with.  What you find may disgust you.

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Scirroco being penatrated by the Zeta Gundam whose pilot represents the opposite of Scirocco in his feminine emotional personality.

– Paptimus Scirocco is a man who manipulates women with his charm to do his bidding as the Machiavellian tribute character of Gundam, but he’s clearly only in love with one person and one person’s goals…himself.  Narcissism is Scirocco’s answer to the sexual deviancy tradition.  Also consider that Scirocco is like the ultimate male in Zeta Gundam, able to charm any woman he wishes and that his main rival is Kamille with his effeminate name and emotional temperment representing the feminine side of Gundam.  Also for whatever reason Scirroco feels like the next ruler of the world will be a woman, but never really states why or under what terms.  Weird sex and gender oriented ideals….or is it that he rejects gender and sex as important concepts as a Machiavellian who only believes in the pursuit of power except under the circumstances in which he can use sex and gender to further his rise to power and to sell his ideals to women who have felt betrayed and who are vulnerable like Reccoa Londe and Sarah Zabiarov.

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Judau in over his head and Haman’s advance

– Haman Khan has a pet crush on Judau who is obviously much younger than him (Oneesama fetish?) that leads her to simultaneously resent him and want to be with him at the same time which ultimately leads to her breakdown near the end of the show.  Weird stuff….

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RICHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARDS!

– Iron Mask wears his mask as a symbol of his love of his life emasculating by marrying a baker instead and seems to be doing his whole genocide thing out of some sick twisted tribute to her.  Crux Dogatie of Crossbone Gundam also tries to destroy earth out of some twisted tribute to his dead wife who apparently loved Earth.  That one I can’t even begin to explain.

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Katejina on top and in control

– Katejina Loos is all S&M with Uso and seems to want to dominate him, but of course he’s also the youngest Gundam protagonist period so it’s even weirder.  The most obvious aspect of her S&M tendencies towards Uso has to be when she embraces him and takes advantage of his feelings for her and then literally stabs him in the back and appears to get off on it.  What a yandere for the books.

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Master Asia’s death pose with Domon is so legendary that it has even had bootleg dolls made of it in diorama format

– Master Asia and Domon have overly masculine tension towards each other as well as the whole East if Burning Red mantra and of course there’s Master Asia’s nature fetish (which ultimately lead to him siding with the Devil Gundam with his desire to use it to repair the environmental damage caused by the Gundam fights and his own macho desire to rise to the top in the last Gundam Fight, which ultimately overides all of his previous obligations in life and to Domon) as well as his now legendary death scene with Domon embracing him weeping in his arms with his hair now down and grieving his death during a trademark sunrise as text comes up on the screen to immortalize the scene.  Master Asia even dies with a smile on his face.  That’s more than even Rain got in the ending with the Love Love Tenkyoken depending on how you think about it.

Treize’s image song which pretty much sums up his romantic obsession with war as a thing of beauty

–  Treize is in love with the idea of war and romanticizes it as a thing of beauty in poetic monologues in almost every scene he is in.  Even his image song  “Stardust Soldiers” unlike your average one which is usually just a quick pop or rock song without to much grandeur is a six minute (a little bit longer actually) operatic perfomance, by his VA in character about the beauty of war and his place in it and is one for the books.  And what’s going on with him and his idolization of what the Gundam Wing boys stand for?  Hell what’s going on between him and Zechs with Zechs undying devotion to him as long as he carries that name?  I love the guy, but he has some bizarre fetishes and ways of associating them to other things.

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The Frost Brothers, you can’t have one without the other and even when they are apart they share a psychic connection that means they might as well standing next to one another at all times.  Very close brothers indeed

– The Frost Brothers act almost incestuous and gay at times and apparently Olba has a massive inferiority complex with Tiffa Adil that leads him to speak the line that “he loves her enough to kill her” following his abduction of her from the Freeden.  When you consider this line in the context of The Frost Brothers being rejected from being Newtypes and instead being categorized as failures and that having become one and therefore recognized as something special was their original ideal goal, the scene takes on an even more bitter and intensely creepy nature.  Olba seems to associate Tifa in a sexualized manner as something he bitterly resents for being unable to be, but at the same time would love to be her.  Tiffa is therefore reduced in his eyes from a human being to a symbol of a desire that in fact has nothing to do with primal attraction whatsoever.  Very sociopathic….also consider that Shagia in the Virsago Chest Break rides on top of Olba in the Ashtaron Hermit Crab in order to fire a powerful satellite cannon shaped like a very long shaft.  Hmmm….

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How Guin invisions Loran in his eyes as his idealized Laura Rolla

– Guin Lineford thinks Loran is a girl, and constantly refers to him as Lora and wants to see him dress up as a woman.  He borderline idolizes the guy, but it is him, or his ability to help him gain access and understanding of new technology for his ambition that he is really attracted to?  It’s almost as if to him Loran represents technology itself in his capacity as the pilot of the Turn A Gundam and Guin’s closest contact with the moonrace and their advanced knowledge and science.  Then of course there’s also Gym Ghinghnam who clearly gets off on the idea of fighting as a way of life, but unlike Treize there is no romanticization by Gym, he just lives for the fight like Akuma and Ryu of Street Fighter fame.

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Lord Djibril Mr. Black: “Gentleman….To Evil”

Lord Djibril Mr. Black from Gundam Seed Destiny gets off on genocide apparently and that pretty much just is his character.

I knew this would come in handy some day.  Speaks for itself really

– And then of course there’s Ribbons and Alejandro and their apparent gay relationship.  During the first season it’s Alejandro who constantly seems like he’s moving to be the one with the pants in their “partnership”.  He calls Ribbons his “little angel” and always feels he’s in charge and that Ribbons is following his orders and the lesser of the  two.  Of course we all know that Alejandro’s one motivation is greed, and that in calling Ribbons his “little angel” it is only in so much as Ribbons is his gateway to getting more power and wealth via control of Veda.  There’s also Alejandro’s fetish for Gold, which also symbolizes his lust for wealth and power.  Then there’s Ribbons who gets off on playing God during the second season, and clearly emasculates and pulls the pants right off of Alejandro, revealing that he has always been the one in control in their relationship.  Ribbons also seems to reject sex outright in his attempt to bring about the dawn of a new race of genetically sexless clones who will of course be born in test tubes rather than in the womb.  Homosexual, or just a eunuch or believer in eternal celibacy as the next stage of evolution which is his primary goal?

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19 Responses to Gundam Villains And Sexual Deviancy (Do They Go Hand In Hand?)

  1. digitalboy says:

    You’ve done great work here, Kaioshin, and with good timing as I’m on a small Gundam kick thanks to the Gundam Rock album coming out.

    I have to say, I think sexual deviancy is generally something you tend to find in villains – it gives them that extra push of craziness as well as mystery. Even a respectable villain takes on a little bit more edge when they have an odd sexual preference, maybe not to make you dislike them, but just to give them that further push from relatability and into mystery. Gundam is a really great display of this technique, because the writers have to strike a balance where they tend to represent both sides of the conflict as less-than-righteous, but they still have to give you a memorable and decidedly frightening villain.

  2. akuyume says:

    So the villains are frequently described as being mentally, socially, and sexually deviant?

    I’d say that, especially in something where the “sides of the battle” are fairly clean cut, the creators are perhaps trying to add a layer of “different” to the villains. Gundam isn’t the only anime that exhibits said tendencies. Off the top of my head, there’s at least two “sets of villains” in Shakugan no Shana that exhibit similar tendencies: Friange and his doll Rinne where much of the dialogue implies agalmatophilia, and Sorath and Tiriel, where they exhibit an somewhat explicitly incestuous relationship.

    In other series I’ve noticed that the villains often tend to be the most physically androgynous or to an extreme (or perhaps the opposite) genderbending characters. One series that leaps to my mind is Naruto, its been awhile but I’m thinking that it was Orochimaru who had both a male and female form.

    I’m not saying genderbendering is exclusive to villains however but when it effects a hero it tends to be more of a comedic device (Ranma 1/2 and back to Naruto with Naruto’s harem jutsu).

    • “In other series I’ve noticed that the villains often tend to be the most physically androgynous or to an extreme (or perhaps the opposite) genderbending characters. One series that leaps to my mind is Naruto, its been awhile but I’m thinking that it was Orochimaru who had both a male and female form.”

      It is kind of true isn’t it? I think Final Fantasy was one of the first series to become famous for this with characters like Kuja and Seymour who both act very effeminate and dress in rather revealing clothing. Granted the heroes of FFIX and X weren’t exactly the picture of manliness either…..

  3. 2DT says:

    Compared to some of these grand psychoses, the fact that the villain of Gundam 00 just happens to be gay seems rather tame. But I like what you’ve done here.

  4. Zex Marquise says:

    Sexual deviance has always been used to give villains that extra layer of creepiness. It is meant to either turn you on because Evil is Sexy/Kinky or make you dislike them more because villains are inherently immoral. For the extreme version of this trope, see Coitus Uninterruptis.

    Since Wing is my speciality for Gundam knowledge, I’ll try to elaborate on Treize’s unnatural obsession with Zechs and the Gundam boys.

    Treize and Zechs:

    I suspect they are both extremely aware of each other’s GARness, but are not necessarily gay. Throughout the entire show they are both obsessed with each other (TVtropes refers to it as Foe Yay, a Sunrise stock trope). Treize obsesses over Zechs because he is very much in love with the romanticism of war, just as you say, and because he sees Zechs as the perfect ideal soldier, the ultimate personification of militaristic Virtus. I don’t think he’s gay, because he ultimately fell in love with Lady Une.

    As for Zechs’ obsession with Treize, well, I think it boils down to the fact that Treize represents Oz and the evil of the oppression and tyranny which destroyed Zechs’ homeland when he was a child. The fact that Treize is his only and lifelong friend makes the sting all the worse. Even though the Alliance is what ruined Zechs’ kingdom, and Zechs allied with Oz to free it, Treize’s ultimate goal was for hegemony. He literally wanted to ensure rebellions and wars would continue on forever so that their romantics was never lost. Zechs saw it coming and knew he’d end up betraying him, implied when he said, “This friendship of the past can only last until the day my mask breaks.”

    So Zechs has this real Lelouch-I-must-bring-you-to-justice thing going on against Treize, while Treize simply thinks Zechs is the greatest man to ever live ever, and only idolizes him more after he takes a stand against him, knowing full well that he and Zechs must stage nuclear apocalypse and awful tyranny to ensure people will never desire to fight again. (Geass recycled this idea and even substituted Libra with Damocles. The difference was that Treize and Zechs were sort of in cahoots staging the end of the world, while Schneizel had no idea what was going on in Lulu’s head.)

    Unfortunately for the fangirls, while Treize ultimately leaned toward the opposite gender, Zechs never showed much romantic interest toward Noein, who is at least as badass as Starbuck and definitely sexier, so he might genuinely be gay. How should I feel about that revelation? I’ve been using a punny version of his name as my handle for years, to many a sex joke.

    Treize and the Gundams:

    As for the Gundam boys, Treize at first thought they were a nuisance that needed to be dealt with. Later, Lady Une helped him to realize that he was not in love with war itself but rather with the idea of the hero fighting alone against overwhelming odds to defend the people they love, even when those people scorn them. The Gundams themselves represented Treize’s ultimate ideal of what a soldier should be, on level with Zechs and his love for his homeland. So once again, the simple explanation would be that Treize recognized his personal concept of ultimate GAR in the Gundams, and lived out the remainder of his days in a what-would-Gundam-Jesus-do mindset.

  5. animekritik says:

    i think one of the most powerful precedents for this is the classic history “Rise and Fall of the Third Reich” in which the author repeatedly points out the sexual deviancies of the Nazi leadership, almost suggesting it as one of the causes/motives of the whole movement.

    • Skribulous says:

      “Precedent”?

      If you want classics, try the chronicles of ancient history, such as the rise and fall of Imperial Rome, with all the deviancies and corruptions laid bare. Maybe some details were fabricated, but it is undeniable that there is an attempt at demonizing the subjects involved.

  6. Chris K. says:

    Very nice article, I tend to agree with most of the other commenter’s’ statements that giving the villain some sort of sexual deviancy tends to make them seem stranger, creepier, more predatory, and in the end, easier to kill/defeat in good/clean consious.

    But, I have to disagree with the idea of Char being a pedo, Char was around 20 when he was with Lalah who was about 17. Also, when Char was with Haman he was around 23 and she was around 16/17. Yes, Quess was quite young (13) when she gets involved with Char, but I think that Char was just using her for his own advantage. In Lolita, Humbert’s original love wasn’t even a teen (12), and the two movies did a disservice to the novel by portraying Lolita as a teen masking how pedo Humbert really was.

    I think these older guy/younger girl relationships are quite common in older/current anime, in the current series Aoi Hana, two college age guys have high school freshman girls around them. I think that this is acceptable because of the prince/princess relationship principle, while the princess is young, sweet, and “pure”, the prince has to be able to protect her which generally means that he is older, and more mature.

  7. digitalboy says:

    Oh, one more thing I wanted to throw out there: “proximity to Caligula”

  8. Thanks for the heads up re Gato and Delaz. I would never have picked up the vibe at all. Danbooru can go to hell. I don’t think I’ll ever unsee that if I actually went there and dug up the contraband.

  9. schneider says:

    I now see Scirocco in a new light thanks to this post (very apt image too).

    Nice insight on how the F91-era villains are pretty butthurt. But Iron Mask is very tame compared to Dogatie.

    Shagia and Olba: Real Bros Ride Each Other?

    I think Graham is arguably mechasexual, but that’s probably my opinion being clouded by the /m/ecca /m/eme /m/achine.

  10. I just came off of rewatching Char’s Counterattack and noticed the consistent tendency of Char to ruin the lives of every female he comes into contact that has feelings for him. First it was of course Lalah who was driven to defend him from Amuro in their love triangle and ending up sacrificing herself to make sure neither of them died. Then it was Haman as seen in Char’s Deleted Affair who he turned from a sweet and kind and slightly naive little girl into a coldhearted and emotionally dead shell with how he ignored and betrayed her feelings towards him. Then it was Reccoa who had the same thing happen as Hamana, then it was Quess who’s naivety he took advantage of and who he twisted against Amuro, Adenaur and Hathaway by playing the role of a father figure and idulging her fantasies, and then finally it was Nanai who he abandoned at the hour she needed him most and left in a broken down lump of tears. It’s like I just saw a whole new side to the character that I’ve never really fully understood before, and it kind of makes him look far less idealistic and even more flawed than ever. That is too say flawed even for a Gundam villain.

    I wonder if Full Frontal will have any of that tendency too or if he’ll be a whole new personality all together.

  11. maAkusutipen says:

    I am not too much familiar with Gundam much to comment on your observations but having seen these and able to articulate these is simply remarkable.

    Maybe this can shed some light to some of your questions:
    http://neojaponisme.com/2007/12/05/nanpa-a-history/

    You may hear the word nanpa if you are reading a lot of ecchi manga or viewing ecchi anime. I am not too sure if this gets used a lot in Ranma back in the day because I only saw Ranma dubbed.

    A funny/extreme/weird exaggeration of katai (opposite of nanpa) comes from an old movie named Gohatto. It involves a group of samurai.

    I just think that some things like that seem weird to us with sensibilities strongly influenced by Western people IMHO.

  12. Gundam Wing says:

    Lol, that’s really awesome!

  13. Rau says:

    Aww, no article about Gundam Seed’s villain(s)? The rest was perfect though.

  14. A.r. says:

    As I’ve said many places, IMHO Ghinius and Aina AREN’T incestuous, at least not physically. On an emotional and psychological level, there’s some pretty deep-rooted and downright unhealthy stuff going on, though it’s more of an Oedipus Complex and Aina being forced in the role of Mommy 2.0 for Ghinius. Which leads to her unintentionally enabling him, and her becoming his entire support network and arguably the reason he took the Apsaras Project in the first place (win the war, and the family name will be restored for the sake of her future). However the role she’s been shoved into since day one doesn’t offer much room to have a life of her own, so it’s not surprising she leaps on the first (non-Ghinius)guy who pays her some real attention. And unfortunately that leap of desperation systematically *destroys* Ghinius on a psychological level, and we all know what comes of it in the end :/

    It’s one of those nasty, horribly dysfunctional situations where nobody is 100% at fault, but nobody is completely free of blame either. Shame fans seem to look at it through the black-and-white lens of ‘Aina=GOOD, YAY! Ghinius=BAD, BOOOH!’. To me looking at with shades of gray makes everyone way more compelling and sympathetic (yes, even Aina. I take back some of what I’ve been saying for years). And I just have a thing for Abnormal Psych.

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