The Resolution of the Triangle—The Third of Six Posts on Macross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye

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We (the founders of We Remember Love) watched the culmination of the Macross Frontier saga together and in grand fashion: using an office board room and a high-end projector. It is only fitting, as the Macross Frontier sub-franchise is, and had always been the representative anime for this blog. Yes, our favorite show is Super Dimension Fortress Macross, but is Macross Frontier that remembers love, and is the show that in 2008, got us following anime blogs and finally start one ourselves.

Macross Frontier the TV series needed to do only one thing right. Sure we wanted it to do many things very well (and in a lot of cases, it really did), but there was one necessary thing: to tell a competent love story set against the backdrop of great battles. It tried to, but I, among many consider the resolution of a love triangle an important marker of what would make for a competent love story. Macross Frontier did not resolve its love triangle.

Sheryl partisans disagreed, invoking para-text and all sorts of speculation but well, they’re Sheryl shippers. I wanted a Sheryl x Alto resolution, and I do believe it did end up that way. But as far as the TV show is concerned, it was not clear. It was not explicit. “You are both my wings” is not a statement of romantic love for one Sheryl Nome.

Well, not anymore. The Wings of Goodbye were on the literal level, the swept-forward wings of  of the sexy as fuck YF-29. On the metaphorical level, these are the wings that gave Alto the very desire for the sky itself, the desire for flight. It was first given to him by none other than Sheryl herself, as a child after watching the Kabuki performance in Macross Galaxy.

At the very end of the battle for the Vajra home world, Sheryl gave it to him again, Alto finally remembers love. She gave it back with her singing (backed by Ranka) that shook the galaxy, and with these wings Alto was able to take the song to the very heart of the Vajra, making them believe in humanity, and trust them with their home world.

Good bugs, these Vajra. Why they wouldn’t rather just spare the lives of the human invaders after taking back their home world because of the humans not being total genocidal xenophobes is beyond me. But Macross isn’t really the strongest proponents of xenodiversity. Just look at Macross Frontier’s Alcatraz with its almost wholly Zentraedi inmate population! (It’s okay to have a Ranka concert with loli Klan in Mylene cosplay on bass in Alcatraz and show an huge crowd of lolicons and pedophiles because they’re aliens and already in jail LOLOLOL Let’s make culture LOLOLOL).

I digress.

This doesn’t save the Vajra from all the quantum cannon fire from the Mini-Macrosses, but rather this saves the humans from future Vajra retaliation, provided that the humans become good stewards of the home world they were evicted from.

What’s important to note about this is how this final resolution is built on Alto and Sheryl’s love story. Sheryl gave Alto the desire for flight – his defining character trait, and Alto in turn gave Sheryl the motivation to shake the galaxy by singing on stage – her defining character trait. Ranka gets her motivation for performing from both of them, she is an effect of both, and the cause of neither. Her winning the triangle makes little sense.

Macross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye Sheryl x Alto NOT a confession

Her role is to bear witness to their double sacrifice, to the love that was realized at the perfect moment, and one that saved humanity. She played her role in bringing her idol back to health, so she can wake up when he comes back. This was more than Minmay ever did. This is a good way to end Ranka’s story as a “loser” of the love triangle.

Thinking this through, I realize that as a love story this surpasses Misa’s, Hikaru’s and Minmay’s in terms of romantic idealization. The SDF Macross love triangle is awesome for the delicious levels of fail from the three protagonists, the Macross Frontier films made sure that the protagonists are heroes, even if it meant they became less interesting characters as a consequence. But this is for another post, and another discussion.

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Yes, it’s the same scene, really.

To go back to the triangle, it was made explicit in the best way: Ranka confesses. This is the good stuff right here. She was the one who put herself at risk. She lost, but this is what saves her. Minmay’s confession was done in the depths of a downward spiral in SDFM, and a little less so in DYRL? Ranka confessed from a position of high self-confidence (not because she thought Sheryl was dead and out of the picture LOL); what I mean here is that she knew she loved him and this was the right time to tell him. No wishy-washy shit.

The wishy-washy shit are all with Alto and Sheryl. Sheryl didn’t confess to Alto. Sure it’s because she thought she didn’t deserve to take him from Ranka because 1) She’s dying, and 2) the only way she’ll survive is either turn into the borg mass of Galaxy citizens, or wait for these Galaxy villains to harvest Ranka’s body parts for her. Alto didn’t confess to Sheryl because, well, he’s a male anime lead.

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They come together in the end due to the force of destiny. First girl wins. Fans are indulged. The hands of the gods are moved. Forgive me if I sound sarcastic, I’m not complaining about the resolution. I love it, but I’m not blind to its weaknesses. After all, love isn’t the adulation of perfection. It’s the wholehearted acceptance of things beyond all faults. This doesn’t diminish my love for the TV Series, non-closure and all. This just gives me more to love.

Here is a great take on things,

I really liked this movie for basically effectively pulling off the What if scenario that I’ve always seen brought up by Ranka fans in the forums, especially after the head script writer outright said that it was Sheryl who won in the tv series.(he had more power than Kawamori in the tv series–the novels also refer to her as the woman that Alto loves), and he only took it out because he felt that there were too much problems with Alto’s character to let him choose. This movie was basically answered for us, what if the roles were reversed, what if it was Sheryl who was the traitor, and Ranka was responsible, independent, more mature, more considerate, didn’t make her life revolve around a person she just met and barely knew, knew Alto longer, and spent more time with him; would Alto love Ranka then, would Sheryl make the same mistakes that Ranka did? This movie answered those questions with a resounding no.

Sheryl didn’t make the same choices as Ranka, she didn’t keep vital information to herself,

This is why this movie worked it was a role reversal what if scenarios and altered the characters accordingly so that they could make it work.

Chan (from the comments)

Love stories set against the backdrop of great battles montage:

Macross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye Klan Klan x MichelMacross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye Monica x JeffreyMacross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye Ozma x Cathy

The Ongoing Post Series:

  1. The Top 3 ASDFGHSDFG Moments in Sayonara no Tsubasa
  2. A Tale of Two Movie Adaptations: TTGL vs. MF
  3. The Resolution of the Triangle [you are reading this]
  4. The Rehabilitation of Characters: Ranka, BreraAlto, Grace
  5. Going Beyond the Impossible: The Reconstruction of a Canon
  6. Sheryl Nome: The Most Awesome Woman in Anime

I mentioned these so I can have some order in the conversations to come.

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104 Responses to The Resolution of the Triangle—The Third of Six Posts on Macross Frontier The Wings of Goodbye

  1. Xard says:

    Vajra were overpowered by humans by the end and if the Queen had not been saved/been killed, well, that would’ve been end for the hive (and there’s no reason to think some another hive from another galaxy would’ve come for Vendetta, given that they meet once in billions of years). They don’t exactly need the planet either for living, considering they’re borderline demigods when it comes to abilities and if they live on anything it’s fold quartz. Now there’s a lot to write on Vajra, what they stand for and what role they play in the Macross universe and more importantly what do they stand for symbolically but that’s not the topic here nor should it be (and thus what is message of the ending and how it ties Zero-Frontier together into a perfect loop but I digress). So, uhh, the stuff that actually is on topic and matters:

    >the Macross Frontier films made sure that the protagonists are heroes, even if it meant they became less interesting characters as a consequence.

    not really seeing this at all. Like, at all. The songs on their own add so much depth to the idol characters it would be severe mistake to judge their characterization separated from the music. As for Alto, he’s as good and interesting as in tv series…just differently “weighted” in terms of what is focused on. And believe me, dropping the kinda-creepy Freudian ball of his shoulders did little harm to him. All in all I’d say they get far richer characterization than main trio in DYRL did and as for the tv series, well, I don’t know. I don’t think more flaws automatically translates to “more interesting”.

    I think they’re all great characters but protagonists being heroes making them less interesting was something I used to think in my days of BEING SERIOUS BUSINESS ANIME FAN and wrapped in Eva’s sweet poison. Of course I see where you’re coming from but I can’t say I agree with it in my heart anymore and esp. not in this case.

    >Ranka confessed from a position of high self-confidence (not because she thought Sheryl was dead and out of the picture LOL); what I mean here is that she knew she loved him and this was the right time to tell him. No wishy-washy shit.

    Honestly, in filmverse poor Ranka likely pretty much knew she never had a chance. This and the notable maturation she shows in the scene is what makes it one of her great moments more than anything else. It was written all over her body language (something animators *really* paid attention to in final film moreso than in previous Frontier pieces so consequently it’s not to be ignored) from reaction to that rather depressing hug of sympathy to the crying behind smile spirit of Houkago Overflow to how she looks like when she realizes what is coming.

    >They come together in the end due to the force of destiny. First girl wins. Fans are indulged. The hands of the gods are moved. Forgive me if I sound sarcastic, I’m not complaining about the resolution. I love it, but I’m not blind to its weaknesses.

    The kids flashback thing was added to help audience gain better understanding on just how impactful they had been on each other’s lives and the nature of their connection. It’s typical film screenwriting in a sense but I don’t see any inherent weakness in such. There’s more than enough to make the love story work without the flashbacks and FIRST GIRL WINSitis syndrome. It just adds the final touch, the final piece to puzzle so that audience can clearly see the force they exert over each other. It wasn’t matter of “destiny” per se. Personally speaking I think the scene on hospital rooftop would’ve been more than enough to establish the deep resonation of souls two had but I’m not faulting the icing on the cake. It’s pretty purrfect and makes Alto less freudian fucker in his dreams and aspirations.

    Which is a good thing.

    • not really seeing this at all. Like, at all. The songs on their own add so much depth to the idol characters it would be severe mistake to judge their characterization separated from the music. As for Alto, he’s as good and interesting as in tv series…just differently “weighted” in terms of what is focused on. And believe me, dropping the kinda-creepy Freudian ball of his shoulders did little harm to him. All in all I’d say they get far richer characterization than main trio in DYRL did and as for the tv series, well, I don’t know. I don’t think more flaws automatically translates to “more interesting”.

      The protagonists in the films are all better people relative to the series, and good, idealized folk CAN be interesting for people, and definitely are welcome changes to fanboys/fangirls of such characters. I like my nuanced failures. Alto in the films had this “am I a man, a woman?” soliloquy that is just dumb, never mind being used as a replacement for his family conflict. And no, flaws don’t automatically make characters interesting, but it is quite true that Alto, Sheryl and Ranka were interesting characters from the TV series so you’re arguing an abstraction vs. something I’m sure you’re willing to grant as true. And yes, they are more flawed back then. Sheryl gets the best deal from the three, because her awesomeness is matched with the traitor/false songstress aspect that is quite a highlight for her.

      There’s an upcoming post for this discussion. Wait for it.

      Honestly, in filmverse poor Ranka likely pretty much knew she never had a chance. This and the notable maturation she shows in the scene is what makes it one of her great moments more than anything else. It was written all over her body language (something animators *really* paid attention to in final film moreso than in previous Frontier pieces so consequently it’s not to be ignored) from reaction to that rather depressing hug of sympathy to the crying behind smile spirit of Houkago Overflow to how she looks like when she realizes what is coming.

      She wasn’t confident that she’ll win, she was sure of her feelings.

      The flashback was a heavy handed retcon, but this is no great tragedy.

      • Xard says:

        >Alto in the films had this “am I a man, a woman?” soliloquy that is just dumb, never mind being used as a replacement for his family conflic

        that was always key part of his character, it was just treated obfuscatingly “subtly” in tv series. Like with many other things films are just more to the point.

        >. And no, flaws don’t automatically make characters interesting, but it is quite true that Alto, Sheryl and Ranka were interesting characters from the TV series so you’re arguing an abstraction vs. something I’m sure you’re willing to grant as true. And yes, they are more flawed back then.

        I’m honestly pretty lost at what you’re trying to say. Of course I found them interesting in both versions but I do think very strongly that films offer definitive take on each of the three. Ranka is much better and given way more development, Sheryl is much more interesting and far better tied to the narrative of the whole work, Alto is about the same but less dickheadish and again, better developed. That they’re also more heroic is nice too but in itself doesn’t seal the deal.

        >Sheryl gets the best deal from the three, because her awesomeness is matched with the traitor/false songstress aspect that is quite a highlight for her.

        Since Sheryl’s character arc was most like in series I actually found her least interesting of the three leads in second film. Not storywise, but in terms of character arc.

        • Alto always questioned his manhood? His gender identity? Oh c’mon.

          You’re getting caught up with thinking I’m picking on the movie versions. I’m not, really. ALL IS WELL, MACROSS FRONTIER IS AWESOME. Chill, there’s nothing to defend. I’ll have more to say about the characters in a later post. I’m discussing the triangle here.

          • Xard says:

            >Alto always questioned his manhood? His gender identity? Oh c’mon.

            Yeah. But that’s not really here or there, is it?

            and I’m not thinking that, I’m just genuinely wondering what you ment with “so you’re arguing an abstraction vs. something I’m sure you’re willing to grant as true” and how this is related to flawedness (or not) of characters.

          • Chan says:

            What Xard said, the gender identity problem was actually always a part of his character, the anime implied that it was the problem not so much the acting. Remember the episode where the director asked him to act in the movie, Alto only refused because he thought he would have to play a woman, but he didn’t mind playing a man.

          • Magnus says:

            @Chan: That doesn’t fly with me. While Alto did get angry at being asked to play a woman, that is tied more into him getting constantly teased with the nickname “Princess”, which was still an issue as of that episode. He got over that, as he got more accepted and mellowed out.

            But there is no hint at all that he himself felt gender-confused in the series. Anger at being called a girl by his friends ( and mistaken for one due to his looks ) equals not being unsuire fo his own identity.

          • Magnus says:

            My grammar sucks when I don’t pay attention.

            The last sentence should of course read: “Anger at being called a girl by his friends ( and mistaken for one due to his looks ) does not equal being unsure of his own identity.”

          • Vendredi says:

            I have to concur with Magnus and ghost here: Alto is very clearly a man throughout the TV series. He plays women but doesn’t want to be one, and that’s never in question.
            Rather, the identity crisis in the TV series is whether he is:

            A) “Alto the SMS ace pilot”
            or
            B) “Alto the talented kabuki actor from a strong family pedigree”

            The tension is between two conflicting desires – his desire to please his father, continue the family tradition, and so forth, vs. the thrill he gets from flying. Adding the gender-identity angle just muddles the whole thing.

          • Yes! This is very clear, the introduction of a non-homosexual gender crisis makes it less clear. It is detrimental to the character as a construct.

            The nuance in A) is how he’s okay with being a hired goon as opposed to a commercial pilot because the latter has far less freedom in actual flight.

      • Dearline says:

        The flashback wasn’t a retcon. During their date, Sheryl asked if Alto ever traveled to Galaxy in the first movie. He says yes and wonders why. She plays coys to avoid his question.

        The light novel adaptation went deeper in that she remembered who he was after they met off stage during one of the rehearsals).

        • The light novel adaptation introduces the retcon then. In the Sheryl manga so far this flowers and shouting exchange hasn’t happened (in the 2 bits I’ve read so far). It’s the meeting this way that’s the fleshed out retcon.

          • Dearline says:

            No, it was plot point foreshadowed since the first movie (Sheryl, during their date, seems to be aware of Alto’s previous journey into Galaxy). She asks him in the movie, then she plays coys when he wonders why she asked.

            The light novels expand on this. For instance, we get the full first ‘reunion’ between Sheryl and Alto off stage (hinted by a quick flashback in the beginning of the movie when the face of an angry Sheryl flashes in Alto’s mind before Ranka arrives with food). There could have been cut scenes from the script.

            The Sheryl manga is another continuity. I don’t know if you finished, but it mixes elements of the TV series and the movies.

          • Retconned from the TV series, not from the first movie… that would’ve been bad, very bad.

    • Chan says:

      Well actually the Vajra queen folded before the fire hit, so she’s still alive.

      Though yeah basically Houkago Overflow is about a girl who realizes that her affections for the man she loves is not returned and also that he’s in love with someone else, but she’s okay with that (which is why it sounds so cheerful), even though it hurts making it different from Ao no Ether–its also a song that she actually wrote in universe so we can attribute it to her character.

      I’d actually say that for me it was the hospital room scene.

      • Xard says:

        >Well actually the Vajra queen folded before the fire hit, so she’s still alive.

        sure and this is the good end. The bad guys could’ve done whatever they wanted with her if left alone though – and Vajra had to fold out in face of S.M.S armada

        >Though yeah basically Houkago Overflow is about a girl who realizes that her affections for the man she loves is not returned and also that he’s in love with someone else, but she’s okay with that (which is why it sounds so cheerful)

        errrrrrrrrr, kinda. It’s partly about the unrequited love thing of course but even more than that it’s about, well, how she can lose Alto any given moment in the world they now live in. I don’t think that it’s a coincidence she finally build up courage to go and confess after Sheryl and Ozma “died”. It sounds cheerful partly because it still is love song promising eternal love and all that. But just like the up-temponess and some elements of arrangement kinda play against each other so does Houkago Overflow in terms of mood. It’s at the same time really painful and a love song sung with heart. I love it in any case… though it’s a sad song for something so uptempo.

        >I’d actually say that for me it was the hospital room scene.

        That too

  2. I think this is one aspect of the movie I felt was really just setup as a triangle for the sake of the fans craving resolve from the TV series rather then trying to present a real triangle. I’d probably say this is just due to a lack of time to be able to develop it properly but I’d probably just prefer not having a triangle rather then making one because that’s what the fans wanted.

    I don’t recall there even being anything in the first movie that definitively defines that Ranka sees Alto as anything but a good friend. On the other hand Alto is going on dates with Sheryl and there is a obvious vibe between the two of them. Then in the second movie it really feels like Ranka’s feelings come flying out of nowhere but nothing it built upon it and all that happens in the end is a confession and rejection. I honestly think this was the weakest aspect of this movie.

    The scenes between Sheryl and Alto just having a completely different feel to it and if he had gone with Ranka in the end I probably would have felt like it was pure fan pandering. Its not that its really any different with him picking Sheryl but at least it fits with the flow of the story. In fact I would have been completely fine if they did nothing at the end because, at least to me, it was plain obvious what was going to happen. Well at least it gives the Ranka haters something to chew on. But I also don’t really see it as that bad of a thing since Alto and Sheryl still plainly care about Ranka very deeply, I mean just look at Sheryl’s face after Ranka was rejected it was practically as sad of a look as Ranka had, so when you have friends like that I’d say your going to be fine.

    • Xard says:

      >I don’t recall there even being anything in the first movie that definitively defines that Ranka sees Alto as anything but a good friend. On the other hand Alto is going on dates with Sheryl and there is a obvious vibe between the two of them. Then in the second movie it really feels like Ranka’s feelings come flying out of nowhere but nothing it built upon it and all that happens in the end is a confession and rejection. I honestly think this was the weakest aspect of this movie.

      Uhh? The first scene in Utahime where we have Ranka and Alto at the same location she’s all over trying to get her attention. Her jealousy and insecurity triggered by seeing Sheryl kiss Alto in Formo. The whole awkwardness in general with unsent SMS’s and such. Sheryl literally telling Alto Ranka loves him. Those are way beyond “hints”. Add on this Ranka’s ED song for first film and…well, yeah. It’s Alto who sees Ranka as nothing more than a friend.

      Kawamori ended the triangle like he always intended to finish it. It was not something done simply as fanservice. All in all I think the triangle is much better than the one in series.

      • Yes I knew when I said that people would find examples but I couldn’t remember anything major. My main point is that she was never really developed to the point where I felt she could even be considered Sheryl’s rival in love. And yeah a major part of that was because Alto really never showed anything back making this not much of a triangle to me.

        • Xard says:

          Well, that’s how Macross triangles tend to are. They’re triangular relationships used mostly for character development and the like instead of having one guy unable to choose between two because he loves them both.

          IIRC Kawamori once said in interview reason he tends to do triangles is that two person relationship exists in a sense in “vacuum” but if you bring third wheel in you open the relationship so you can bring in the whole world in it. This really shows in SDFM where Hikaru’s choice between Misa and Minmay is also a choice of lifestyle and future. In DYRL Hikaru outgrowing his Minmay otakudom and going for his true love is also typical example of using the triangle for character development.

          Looking at Macross triangles there really isn’t instance of protagonist beign unable to decide because he’s attracted to both apart from SDFM’s post-war arc:

          – SDFM: Minmay > Misa > Minmay/Misa > Misa
          – DYRL: Minmay > Misa

          Macross Plus: It’s clear from the start that one for whom Myung’s heart belongs to is Isamu. Or as Sharon Apple put it, she loves Guld but Isamu “even more”, to say the least.

          Macross 7: this “triangle” is laughable to point of non-existence. There’s only Mylene’s inability to decide (oh look, here we DO have one “proper” love triangle…and it’s the one with least develpoment, lol)

          Macross Zero: Mao’s crush is obviously onesided and it’s story of Shin and Sara

          Then we finally reach Macross Frontier. As always, the triangle is used for character development etc. first of all. It’s again painfully, oh so painfully clear how it’s going to end.

          By now I’ve grown accustomed to idea that I always end up sad over the conclusion. I always seem to root for the one doomed to lose. When I first saw DYRL I was so sure of Minmay’s victory and liked her more than Misa (SDFM would finally make me see the real nature of OTP), in Zero Mao was a thousand times more lovable and interesting than that ghastly Sara. In Plus, while I ended up in Isamu-is-awesome camp of course in the end, I initially rooted for Guld because while he was a dick Isamu was even bigger.

          and then above others in terms of painfulness there’s Ranka and MacrossF. Alas my favourite greenhead could’ve been named “Mao Minmay” and her eventual loss wouldn’t have been any more certain ;___;

          • WhatSht says:

            >IIRC Kawamori once said in interview reason he tends to do triangles is that two person relationship exists in a sense in “vacuum” but if you bring third wheel in you open the relationship so you can bring in the whole world in it.
            That just reminded me of Aquarion, and that basically the idea of the titular robot itself, which is made of 3 jets/planes. It was also mentioned in Aquarion that 2 lines(2 person relationship) cannot make a 3D figure(can’t seem to know what this symbolise), you need 3 lines to form a 3D figure.
            Can’t seem to find the cube which kinda explained that concept.

            Apparently, Kawamori love triangles.

          • You know you’re right I never really thought about it that way. Personally all the previous Macross I never really had any kind of a vested interested in the triangles so I never really put much thought into how there’s always a predestine loser in it. Although I don’t really consider myself a big Macross fan, I’m just someone who has watched every Macross(even though its been a while). So in the end I suppose I can’t really complain about it that much since I never noticed until it was something where a character I cheered for got the loser spot.

            But yeah I knew who Alto loved but I didn’t expect him to say it since anime in general loves to leave this stuff hanging (and if I had remembered Macross history I would not have thought this) so I was actually shocked when he flat out rejected Ranka. And I’m still not convinced Ranka even had that strong of feelings for Alto, I’d call it immature love. Even though it was sad watching the rejection I think I actually like tagging Ranka as the loveable loser, makes her more relatable (at least to me).

    • There was never a strong triangle from the TV series to begin with. It was never a competent love story. I love it, but I’m a Macross fanboy so take that for what it’s worth.

      Thus, I don’t mind that the geometry of the love stories here isn’t equilateral or isosceles or whatever is the most correct kind of love triangle. This is Macross, ergo two characters like the same guy/girl and it’s played for tension.

      As for the first movie, Alto saves her from while being in the belly of a space monster. I’m willing to grant how that can be a transformative experience for Ranka. But let’s look at the parallel montage of their training. The whole scene in the family mart, and how he wanted Alto to be the first to hear the track… that’s romance for the juvenile and Ranka is juvenile. In the second film she undergoes this Lacus Clyne-esque maturity jump/character shift but of course nowhere as stupid or crude… and then she makes these adult decisions that can be charming on their own.

      The scenes between Sheryl and Alto just having a completely different feel to it and if he had gone with Ranka in the end I probably would have felt like it was pure fan pandering. Its not that its really any different with him picking Sheryl but at least it fits with the flow of the story.

      So picking Sheryl is PURE fan-pandering?

      In fact I would have been completely fine if they did nothing at the end because, at least to me, it was plain obvious what was going to happen.

      NOOOOOOOO. Not to explicitly resolve this love triangle would be a disaster. But you can always choose to not watch the ending and be happy!

      • I’m not sure how you do those quotes but
        “So picking Sheryl is PURE fan-pandering?”

        No I said it wasn’t PURE fan-pandering because it fits with the story. Just the act of creating a scenario to a pick of one over the other in general I think panders to the need of fans of Sheryl or Ranka to feel superior over the other. Personally I don’t see why this is important I like them both I don’t see way some people feel this way. I also don’t consider it an issue worth discussing in hindsight, I would just leave this out of my original post.

        “NOOOOOOOO. Not to explicitly resolve this love triangle would be a disaster. But you can always choose to not watch the ending and be happy!”

        You twisted my words completely here, I was just saying I think even without them saying it out loud it was obvious what was going to happen. Other then having to listen to gloating by Sheyrl fans I’m completely fine with the ending. My main point in my whole post was just how I felt the triangle was so lope sided in the movies it really didn’t add much for me since it wasn’t like I was ever wondering who would end up with who. Which is why I felt it was a weak part of the movie.

        • Ok, just asking to be clear. If I were interested in actually twisting your words and attacking you there’d be far, far, easier ways.

          So I apologize it if it seems I am antagonistic to you personally!

          Like you I find weak points here and there and like you I love the movie anyway. So we’re on common ground here, just to recalibrate the discussion.

          • To be honest the way you’ve been complaining on twitter about Ranka fans with these posts I’ve been wondering if my comments here were unwanted. Sorry if I am being too defensive. Regardless I really try to avoid debate like discussions but I love this movie so much I probably went against my better judgement to just keep quiet.

          • “tards” goes beyond fans. I’m a Ranka fan.

            But seriously, I’m not TRULY bothered. It’s all well and good and fun at the end of the day. After all this is done I’ll look back at this effort and be happy that I had the privilege of having all of you here. In the meantime things are fun and there’s no real need to feel bad about anyone and anything.

            Also, a more Ranka-centric post tomorrow!

    • Chan says:

      Actually it was outright stated several times that Ranka loved Alto in the previous movie, but Alto friend zoned her.

      Also the tv series was supposed to end with Alto choosing Sheryl, but that was changed last minute, and replaced with, what we got, which would more be considered fanservice, as it allows for false hope.

      • Xard says:

        I’m pretty sure Yosino’s reason for change were more commercial than anything else.

      • Magnus says:

        Heh, I’ve always been saying ( since day one of the broadcast ) that the animation for the last scenes didn’t fit with most of what came before… why would they choose to have the second animation team do the final moments of the series, if not for a needed rush-job? ^^

  3. bluemist says:

    When the young Alto-Sheryl flashback started, that was the last blow and I just knew I lost the fight for my Alto-Ranka pairing. The thing is that Alto and Sheryl basically gave each other their dreams during that point in time. It was brilliant, albeit a bit abruptly tacked in just to seal the shipping deal in my opinion.

    The modifications of the movies compared to the TV series made the characters better and more refined. That’s not to say the TV version was weak sauce – we wouldn’t have any movie if Macross Frontier itself was a weak series. I guess like the Eva movies (Nanoha movie too in my case) you can remake a property, make it better, and as a result have more appreciation for the first original material.

    Too bad Ranka was so much better in the movie, yet she lost the love triangle. She was very forward towards her feelings for others, hides no secrets, always confident. Still she has a big role to fill to save Sheryl, and wait/search for Alto. Such a fit ending, if a little tragic for the winning pair. I guess Ranka fans wouldn’t let them have a wedding scene with Ranka watching, faking her smiles with her inner sadness (joking)…

    • Yes, the retcon was shoehorned, but it’s not a tragic thing. I like it.

      Too bad Ranka was so much better in the movie, yet she lost the love triangle. She was very forward towards her feelings for others, hides no secrets, always confident. Still she has a big role to fill to save Sheryl, and wait/search for Alto. Such a fit ending, if a little tragic for the winning pair. I guess Ranka fans wouldn’t let them have a wedding scene with Ranka watching, faking her smiles with her inner sadness (joking)…

      That would be delicious though!

      • Xard says:

        and it’s going to happen canonically to boot. *sigh*

        • Chan says:

          wasn’t it implied that Ranka married Brera in the manga?
          TROLOLOLOL.

          • 😆 “Kiss in the Galaxy” probably had the most bizarre retelling of the Frontier saga (despite providing a plausible origin story for Sheryl), so as to speak, but it didn’t show any more other than the two planes in the sky, and the two girls waiting by the chapel’s doorsteps.

          • BWAHAHAHAHA

            Not only is Ranka the lolimoe fapbait, she’s also made out to be an imouto-lolimoe construct. Database animals are okay with this.

          • bluemist says:

            Onii-chan ending TROLLOLOLOL

          • Dearline says:

            She did.

            Then again, the Japanese fanbase loves Brera over Alto as Ranka’s suitor.

            If the movies were really fan pandering (like the Sheryl manga is, in the best way), Kawamori would have had Brera survive and be heroic with Alto. Then return while Sheryl and Ranka wait for them in a chapel dressed like blushing brides.

            Like, you know, the Sheryl manga.

          • Xard says:

            Guhhhh can we forget horrible abortion of terrible storytelling, nonsensical characterization and asspull plot elements that is Kiss in the Galaxy… I mean, I can laugh at the whole thing but it still makes me facepalm. To imagine I read the whole thing… and *that* pissed me off more than anything else about the ending which really is saying something because the final volume was probably the worst of them all.

            On other hand given the hysterically hamfisted approach to making sure all shoujo cliches are in turning Ranka into a brocon to rival Brera’s siscon in general was pretty much inevitable. As anyone familiar with likes of Utena knows shoujo story needs the wincest sooner or later… not like it was limited to that, of course. Shoujo cliches I mean:

            – turning young Sheryl into stereotypical shoujo heroine (she resembles Ranka a lot in many respects there, if Sheryl hadn’t been the MC and it was a shoujo romance story Ranka would’ve probably won)
            – said young Sheryl having THE ONEE-SAMA character…who she loses, le shock
            – the bitch squad making her poor shoujo school life miserable
            – Alto turned into a nearly personality-free cardboard shoujo love interest who barely makes any appereances and doesn’t even have much serious interaction with Sheryl or Ranka
            – et cetera et cetera

            If it wasn’t bad enough in itself the Brera ship just happens towards the end of second volume as if switch was flipped inside Ranka’s head. It really comes out of nowhere and she just kinda forgets Alto immeaditly. Less said about Brera in general the better.

            It was a typical pandering ending where EVERYONE MUST GET SOMEONE AND BE HAPPY. Only this time around it was also utter nonsense, especially in terms of execution… In light of the manga I was again most satisfied to see the MacrossF proper never went Kaifun route… and Brera got killed this time around. Take that, you crazy shippers!

            >Not only is Ranka the lolimoe fapbait, she’s also made out to be an imouto-lolimoe construct. Database animals are okay with this.

            😦

            Anyway, in truth the “Bureran” shippers are overwhelmingly girls. Of course same holds for those making doujinshi in general anyway and pixiv might have more female users than male but in any case I wouldn’t be surprised if *at least* 90% of fanart for the pair came from girls. For example one of the most visible fan artists of the persuasion who has been organizing some sort of huge ass anthology for the pairing (http://brerananthology.web.fc2.com/index-2.html), CERO, is female (her blog http://kotsubanfunsai.web.fc2.com/marusan.html)

            So ironically the demographic most happy with such end is the one the manga targeted anyway: shoujo readers. This makes the implied incest end also a editorial choice.

            It’s not that surprising. While Alto/Sheryl has always been the most popular ship option both girls are liked and usually in mind of people like these pairing them off with someone is the best one can do for her/him. Secondly Brera has fangirls PSLing for him so they’re eager to pair him off with someone and Ranka is by far the most natural option. Thirdly since the start many didn’t like how Alto treated Ranka (esp. in comparison to Brera) and the onii-chan was thought as superior guy by many Ranka fans. Cue “I hope he does not end up being her brother” comments along early fanart made when series first aired. Now that it’s all over one can find quickly on nico nico douga comments in vein of “I got the Arusheri ending but I also wanted bureran buwaa~ ;__;” if you know which video to pick.

            Personally I’ve never liked the fangirls of this orientation in the least so having them in such huge numbers is not enjoyable to me…

            >The ending was mean to be bittersweet in a hopeful note. There are wedding posters of Alto and Sheryl (as there are official art of their reunion).

            on that note: http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/407/macrosssherylhappyend.jpg/

            I don’t own a copy of the final Sheryl Nome Visual Collection but I’ve heard there’s also a picture of them on their honeymoon there.

    • Just as I said not so long ago:
      https://ghostlightning.wordpress.com/2010/11/05/ranka-alto-parallel-lines-do-not-a-triangle-make/#comment-16904

      The triangle has been settled IMHO on a very satisfactory note, and furthermore SnT confirmed my assertions I made after watching the entire TV series and the first movie; the signs were too obvious from the start.

    • Dearline says:

      While Sheryl might not have given Alto his dream of flying in the tv series, she was the person who made him realize that he didn’t want to fly alone. “One mustn’t fly alone.” You will understand why Yoshino told in the interview Alto was trying to confess his feelings for Sheryl, on his own dense way.

      Ranka’s makeover is a little like DYRL Minmay. I love her.

      The ending was mean to be bittersweet in a hopeful note. There are wedding posters of Alto and Sheryl (as there are official art of their reunion).

  4. Sakura says:

    Hubs labels your ‘fucking told’ picture Epic Winsauce btw XD

    I have so much love for MF, I love both t.v and movie versions, because there’s enough to love in both despite the failings of both.

    I for one am glad for the resolution, just so the arguments can stop since its now canon that Sheryl is the winner, which most of us knew all along anyway 😉

    I think it was very clear, even back in the t.v series just who the favorite was, particularly when you see the parallels between Ranka and Minmay. Both were far too immature to really know what love meant. Although Ranka to me was far more likeable than Minmay.

    Ranka I think at least had genuine feelings for Alto, but I’ve never really quite been sure if the same is true of Minmay.

    I’m not really sure that she actually loved Hikaru, so much as he was just someone she could rely on and have at her beck and call. He was someone she could control instead of being controlled by. Minmay never really cared about what Hikaru wanted, it was all about her.

    Ranka to some extent was the same. Sheryl was the one actually listening to Alto and trying to help him with dreams, all Ranka wanted was to be with him.

    But I’m getting away from my point, I love both mediums, but just feel that the movie manages to make everything just that bit more epic. Probably because you can cut out all the superfluous filler crap that just gets added for the episode count.

    And well, bigger budget means you can make those space battles ten times more sexy!

    • The pic originally came from /a/, which was both sad and funny, a bittersweet joke. The mere look at her facial expression was heart-wrenching, that I found myself replaying Nazareth’s “Love Hurts”.

      So Ranka ended up yelling Sheryl’s name instead, as she collapsed at the same moment as the Queen (almost) got nuked. (The funny thing is, Ranka ends up being an imouto to Sheryl.)

    • STOP HATING ON MINMAY

      Ahem.

      Watch out for post 5 where we fill out our preferred “official” continuity!

  5. Even with a resolution this love triangle is way less interesting than the Michel/Klan in the series though. Maybe because out of the three I only like Ranka and she isn’t exactly ready for any kind of TRU LUV.

  6. Chan says:

    Wow good post.

    I really love the triangle for this movie, I actually thing that its much stronger than the tv series triangle, because it felt less forced. Sheryl and Ranka weren’t forced into Alto’s school life, which didn’t help either girls, and just wasted time. This route that they took in the movie makes more sense; Because Ranka is Ozma little sister so her knowing Mikhail isn’t out of the question, and her meeting Alto through Mikhail, and becoming his friend isn’t a stretch either, it happens all the time. It also made Ranka’s affection for Alto seem more genuine, as in the tv series it didn’t feel as though she really liked Alto for Alto, but rather for what he represented to her.

    As for Sheryl in the tv series like I said for Ranka it was pointless to try an include her into Alto’s school, more so than Ranka, because she actually didn’t need it. She spent quite a bit of time with Alto outside of school anyway so the school backdrop wasn’t needed for her. And in actuality it would make more sense for Sheryl to attend Ranka’s prestigious all-girls private school, rather than Mihoshi Academy, or better yet be home schooled. It just unnecessary for her.

    That being said this movie proved that Alto would still love Sheryl even with extra baggage. Because like I said, it its easier to love say that you love someone who is perfect, but if you truly loved them then you would love them even if it came with extra baggage. This is what the movie pulled off for me, as Sheryl and Alto’s personalities actually aren’t any different at all from their tv series counterparts, the only difference is the circumstances surrounding them, which force them to react differently.

    This movie also answered question for me, even if Sheryl wasn’t around Alto still wouldn’t love Ranka, which was an scenario thought up by a very annoying Rankatard.

    • Thanks. If there was one post that I feel is necessary to write it’d be this one.

      I completely agree with the removal of the high school hijinks. In SDFM there was a desire to have that element, but it didn’t make it to the show, and I’m thankful.

      It’s the “weakness” of this triangle too, how Alto wouldn’t be that into Ranka with or without Sheryl. Alto really isn’t into girls, it took Sheryl to get him interested, and it even required DESTINY.

  7. Reid says:

    That last picture. Ozma and Cathy. (pumps my fist triumphantly)

    • People are quick to associate Misa Hayase with Sheryl and that’s really far off the mark because Sheryl is also Minmay and far more Minmay than she is Misa.

      It’s Catherine Glass that really is the reference to Misa, including misguided powerful dad that gets killed.

      • Dearline says:

        Agreed. Kawamori said (in an interview) that in the TV series Ranka vaguely has elements of tv Minmay (the girl who wants to be a star) while Sheryl vaguely has elements of her DYRL persona (the star).

      • Reid says:

        aaaaand that’s why I lurve Cathy so very, very much. Well, that and she’s a professional grown woman. These idols…”their beauty and their style wears kinda smooth after a while.”

        • Reid says:

          Well, that, and I have a thing for ladies named Catherine. Cheryl, on the other hand, was the first name of my 4th grade math teacher.

  8. Shinmarizu says:

    I am just happy the triangle was resolved; the fact that Sheryl won makes me happy on different levels. I was not satisfied (not to be confused with upset or angry) with the manner in which we were all left hanging at the end of Frontier TV, and thank goodness did the films allow the triangle a resolution.
    On a somewhat unrelated note, Ghost: Macross II; Sylvie versus Ishtar. Your choice and why.

    • WhatSht says:

      Ishtar, because she looks better then Sylvie.

    • plasticzaku says:

      Ishtar, because I don’t remember any of the other characters.

      I liked Macross II, I just need to watch it again.

    • Sylvie hands down; my girlfriend is a pilot, etc etc

      Ishtar is a moeblob… nothing wrong with that per se, but… no I wouldn’t pick her over Sylvie.

      • Shinmarizu says:

        Agreed. Sylvie has some of the same characteristics as Sheryl (headstrong, courageous, etc) that are attractive to me. Ishtar is beautiful, however her personality is archetypal, and her damsel-in-distress bit really sealed her fate in the Macross II triangle.
        BUT Ishtar realized that she had lost, and entrusts Hibiki to Sylvie in a rather emphatic way before she runs off at the end of the movie, and that – for me, anyway, and delivered in very impressive English dub at the time – made me smile and cry at the same time.

        • Dearline says:

          I think both women, Sylvie and Ishtar, are beautiful, but my problem with that romance is that Sylvie/Hibiki wasn’t believable. It was rushed and came out nowhere.

          • Shinmarizu says:

            Also agreed. They did put so much focus on Ishtar/Hibiki that the eventual flip-flop was a major shock, starting with the kiss between Sylvie and Hibiki that Ishtar walked in on. I would have appreciated more development between Sylvie and Hibiki too, but this was a movie… *sigh*

  9. plasticzaku says:

    Something unique about Frontier’s triangle that I really liked, in either telling, is that the trio are pretty much BFFs (best friends forever). Ranka sometimes felt like the third wheel, but I never got a sense of real animosity between her and Sheryl. They get along so well it’s easy to view the two of them with shipping goggles, especially with all of Ranka’s blushing early on. The closest thing we have to this dynamic in the rest of the franchise is Guld and Isamu in Plus, and they didn’t make up with each other until near the end of the story. Sheryl and Ranka spent a lot more time encouraging each other than they did competing. As a result, the rest of the plot held a lot more tension to me than the triangle did. This wasn’t a problem though, it was still interesting enough just to watch the trio interact.

    Agreed that Ranka’s career is the result of Alto’s desire to fly and Sheryl’s desire to sing, but not vice versa. I would still argue though that all three needed each other to make it to the end. If Alto’s wings are the girls, Ranka’s wings are Alto and Sheryl, and Sheryl’s wings are Alto and Ranka. Whenever Sheryl wakes up and Alto comes back, I’d expect them and Ranka to remain close.

    The retcon flashback of adorable tiny Sheryl was wonderful fanservice. Without that it still would have made sense to me for Alto to choose Sheryl though, if he really had to. (My vote would have been polyamory, but I digress.) Alto and Sheryl are both complicated, closer in maturity level, and most importantly can empathise with each other a lot more. Despite everything that happened to Ranka in the past and her growth during the story, she’s still relatively simple and innocent. I think she has an easier time declaring her feelings than Sheryl and Alto do because she doesn’t think about it too hard.

    • LOL if you want a man-centric polyamorous triangle go read Honeymoon Salad.

      No, the closest thing we have to Ranka and Sheryl isn’t Guld and Isamu. It’s really more like Alto and Michel from the TV series, especially after ep 09 “Friendly Fire.” But for something truly analogous, Alto would have to be BFFs with Luca.

      • plasticzaku says:

        Haha nah, I’d want it to be Sheryl-centric. I know I saw way more subtext between Sheryl and Ranka than is actually there, but a fangirl can dream, right?

        I mentioned Guld and Isamu since I was talking about the triangles specifically… Guld was willing to sacrifice himself to save his friends after he and Isamu made up, Sheryl was willing to sacrifice herself for her friends in the scene where she’s sucked out through the hull breach. That was the aspect I found analogous, mileage may vary of course. Guld and Isamu prior to their reconcilliation?- Aw hell no.

        • Xard says:

          >Haha nah, I’d want it to be Sheryl-centric. I know I saw way more subtext between Sheryl and Ranka than is actually there, but a fangirl can dream, right?

          oh, you’re not alone. I’m pretty sure “Sheriran” is probably the second most popular shipping option from the whole show after Arusheri. Certainly as far as Ranka ships go only Brera route may pose a challenge in terms of popularity. You get the feel that even the batshit mangaka of Kiss in the Galaxy really wanted to ship the two girls:

          She drew this 3 page VERY suggestive Yuriesque manga of Ranka and Sheryl to the final staff doujinshi collection released last spring (oh, and it’s pretty hot btw :P). Sample pic: http://betsufure.net/lineup/sheryl/koyama-short02.jpg

          Not only that, there was also the bromide made you got if one bought all three vols from same shop or something IIRC: http://betsufure.net/lineup/sheryl/card-3-1.jpg (btw if one can find the bromide in higher res and without sample text it would be sweet lol)
          「禁断のエリクシア」のナースシェリル!
          患者さんは…
          ナント、ランカ!
          背後に並ぶ試験管からして…患者というより被験体!?
          二人きりのヒミツの実験室で、一体どんな化学変化が起きちゃうのでしょう!!?

          “Nurse Sheryl of Forbidden Elixir!
          The patient is….
          oh my, Ranka!
          Based on test tubes in the back…rather than patient, a test subject!?
          Alone together in a secret lab, just what kind of chemical changes are going to happen!!?”

          …no comment. Kawamori also loves to go on about their “deep bond” beyond rivalry, their “perfect understanding” of each other and in general use words that one would use to describe soulmates. It doesn’t even end here of course as dshudistab is about relationship between Ranka and Sheryl and if *taken literally*..well, it’s hardly platonic song (* are unsure parts marked by translator):

          “The universe changes with a Hallelujah!
          You hold me tight!? Just like a dream
          At the moment, it’s a miracle, there’s a shooting star
          A flash of light, of clarity*
          I can’t help it, it’s like an impulse
          It happened fast, how dramatic
          Love is always like that
          Please, coach** me with a charming approach!

          Don’t think about it. If you think about it, that’s not good
          The winking starts! A midnight that seduces like you
          We can ride on my beating heart
          Romance, if you can sing! When our eyes meet, it’s an instant connection

          Shall we jump over that star?
          Lift your feelings in full throttle
          Spin, merry go around! And we will blend together
          We will lose our senses, and together fly away”

          As far as YURI GOGGLES go they’ve made it criminally easy and seducing option in Macross Frontier, all the moreso in the films… hah! 😀

          • Dearline says:

            This is true. The first movie official book is called “Perfect Triangle.”

            Aren’t Sheryl and Ranka the ones holding hands nude in the backcover of the Sayonara no Tsubasa CD while Alto travels out the picture above them? Unsurprisingly, the man they fancy looks like a girl and neither appeared interested in any other man (I guess Brera can be an option, but he has long, sharp fingernails and wears eyeshadow…). Sheryl fell in love with him when he was dressed as a woman as child and thinks he’s a good wife, while Ranka seemed to ask him tips about makeup and put him in a gothic loli maid outfit.

        • Dearline says:

          I’m pretty sure the “subtext” means to be there. Kawamori seems to be a fan of them and their ‘bond’, while the other scriptwriter, Yoshino, has ship-teased them in his own MF manga. The majority of the series merchandising is yuri-static. Of course, Alto/Sheryl’s fanservice stuff is as frequent too (Alto/Ranka…. nil, unless you count magazine spreads with him rescuing her or triangle related ones?).

      • Shinmarizu says:

        On many visceral levels am I quite glad they didn’t go that route….

        • Shinmarizu says:

          Allow me to clarify – my previous comment was directed to the “Alto BFF Luca” scenario. Please continue with the Sheryl yuri Ranka stuff. Please.

  10. megaroad1 says:

    Share most of your thoughts so I won´t go much into depth. Generally I´ve stayed away from Ranka-Sheryl debates in all fora because I´m not much for getting into shipping wars. Now that debate is put to rest, I just want to say that at some level I felt the writers were never for giving poor Ranka much of a chance. They made Sheryl this amazingly attractive, playful, sexy, resilient, hardworking woman. I know that everyone has his own opinion, but to me Sheryl just ticks all the boxes in what I want in a gal. If they kept Sheryl as a character on that level, without introducing more flaws in her character, any other resolution might have felt a bit forced. They would have really have had to bring her down a couple of notches and give Ranka and Alto more interaction.

    Now to more important things. Do we know why Captain Wilder has a ring hanging from his neck?! Is there the ghost of a former Mrs. Wilder that kawaii Monica has to fight against? I remember something about him being married once from the TV series but I might be wrong…

    Lastly I want to say that I have one minimal dissapointment with the Macross franchise as a whole and that is that I´ve yet to see a kiss between a full sized Meltran and a human. Emilia and Basara almost did it in M7 The Galaxy is calling Me until the kid interrupted it. I was hoping that at some point Michel and Klan would give me the pleasure…but alas…it was not to be. Will patiently wait for the next Macross, hopefully in 2012 (I wish).

  11. Nishimura says:

    Because of my horrible luck when I pick favorites, I honestly thought that Sheryl had no chance in hell. In my mind there were only two possibilities, she was either going to die or lose the triangle. I guess I was so narrow minded that I wasn’t able to see obvious the signs. But one thing that came out of my pessimistic view of Sheryl’s predicament was that I eventually grew to like Ranka as well (not nearly as much as Sheryl but still). I figured she was going to win anyway and thought I might as well learn to like her.

    I actually applaud Ranka for confessing even if she knew deep down she didn’t stand a chance. Not many people (especially in anime shows) have the guts to tell others how they feel.

    • Yeah, Ranka should get a lot of credit for not just confessing but the kind of confession she made. It was straight up brave. Look, she never had anything really difficult to do in the whole thing, except this. But she did well here and that’s ok.

    • Xard says:

      >Because of my horrible luck when I pick favorites, I honestly thought that Sheryl had no chance in hell.

      So I’m not only one who goes “oh great, I like him/her the best out of the three, might as well brace for defeat” 😛

      >I actually applaud Ranka for confessing even if she knew deep down she didn’t stand a chance. Not many people (especially in anime shows) have the guts to tell others how they feel.

      I think it’s “especially because”, not “even if” here. Being pretty sure you get turned down and confessing takes more courage than situation where you think your chances are 50/50 or perhaps even good.

      @GL: so the prison break gig, the whole final battle that followed and all don’t count? On personal level it was indeed probably the hardest thing for her to do but from larger perspective she had to do a lot more dangerous things.

      • The prison break, and the final battle… effortless. She powered through that without breaking a sweat. Dangerous isn’t necessarily difficult requiring lots of effort.

        • Xard says:

          I don’t know. In Macross singing is serious business where you put your whole being in line with your passions and feelings and very self thrown in for sake of the song. This is exactly what happens in eg. Sayonara no Tsubasa with both girls. They shalt become the guiding wind and wings for Alto!

          Generally speaking idol singing in serious scene = comparable to shonen hero power level maxin’ and going for the grand fight against big bad.

          Shit is REAL, to say the least

          • Xard says:

            oh, and I’m pretty sure she literally broke sweat at least in Alctraz scene 😛

          • Since you claim you don’t know, let me tell you.

            Ranka singing throughout everything = Basara singing throughout anything. Not a problem. You don’t see me fault Basara for it don’t you? (my favorite character in all of anime, replete with idiocy and far stupider than Ranka… though exceedingly awesome).

            In addition to the confession, and I admit I conflated this effort with the confession, is her singing in the finale trying not to think about Alto’s answer to the confession. That’s kind of hard… for an amateur, but easy for a pro to do, and just as easy for a pro… to use that anxiety to power her music. Now, is Ranka a pro or an amateur? If you say she’s a pro, then no sweat. If you say she’s still some amateur after all two great concerts (one she planned herself) then yeah, it required STUPENDOUS HEROIC effort.

            I’d rather think that Ranka used that anxiety to give the great performance she did in the final battle. But since I’m talking to you, go ahead and have it both ways. I won’t discourage you.

          • Xard says:

            Actually Basara kinda proves my point. He practically lives for singing and as shown by his spirita levels shooting higher and higher more she puts of himself in shooking the world with his song (ORE NO UTA KIKEEE) harder the effort and more and more he overcomes his own limits all the time. The same pattern holds for singers in Macross in general. Yes, professional can pull a professional gig like that but it’s when they sing about their lives fluttering like candles in a wing and about how they’re always going to love you bla bla…THAT is when Sheryl and Ranka put every inch of their spiritual and physical power in play.

            That’s just how it goes in Macross. Even Myung’s moment of thriumph is when she finally gets back to singing and sings Voices in final episode, not the struggles against the guards and such that took place earlier.

            >I’d rather think that Ranka used that anxiety to give the great performance she did in the final battle. But since I’m talking to you, go ahead and have it both ways. I won’t discourage you.

            I agree with this. I mean, I’m just making a point about singing in general in Macross. Just like Alto shines the most as he acts according to his nature in flying so do the girls when they sing.

          • Xard says:

            >and higher more he puts of himself in shooking the world
            >harder the effort and more and more he overcomes his own limits at the time.
            >fluttering like candles in a wind

            gahh, too many silly slips. Sorry

  12. Magnus says:

    I must say, I favor Kamerad Kreuzritters view ( Crusader, if you are confused by my teutonic blubbering ). ^^

    Although I share your disdain for the underhanded slam on the poor Zentrans.

    Looking forward to your other post. I’m not sure exactly why Alto had to be rehabilitated in your view ( which could of course be, because I am apparently Altos biggest fan in the entire Macross community… well, aside from the long broken Crusader ) and I actually vastly preferred Grace as a villain, but we’ll see what you come up with. 🙂

    • Crusader’s take on Alto-hime is what made me really start digging Alto as a character, then after watching a fuckton of Gundam I really appreciate what he is as a mecha anime lead.

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  16. I am a fan of both the girls and am completely okay with Alto choosing Sherly at the end of the second movie. But I don’t know about Sheryl being favored in the TV series. After watching both the movies and TV series a second time I say that Ranka was much more favored in the TV series and Sherly obviously the winner of the movies.
    The thing that bothers me though is the drastic character changes done to everyone to the point that it is q alternate universe.DYRL was done in s a similar fashion and also did many changes but I felt like they didn’t change the characters as much as they did in the Macross Frontier movies. Especially (no offense) Sherly’s character. In the TV series she is pretty mean, selfish and vain but still had a good heart. But movie Sherly was redone completely to leave all of that out minus the good heart. I just felt like they tried TOO HARD to make her as likable as Ranka was in the TV series.
    Once again people I am a fan of Sheryl AND Ranka (though Ranka’s kinda of annoying with her hesitant behavoir in the TV series at least). And movie Alto is waaay more likeable then his TV version. I just felt like he was such a huge azz-hole who didn’t desrve either of those girls. But movie Alto seems like a decent guy. But these changes bother me because it doesn’t go with the flow of the TV series at all the way DYRL was. Does anyone else feel the same way?

    • I’m not with you here.

      I’d rather have a bitch of a Sheryl as well, but Sheryl and Ranka are basically DYRL Minmay and SDFM Minmay respectively — and DYRL Minmay was never mean. Thus, the movie Sheryl is much more consistent to the source characters to begin with.

      That said, I prefer the bitch anyway.

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  18. -- says:

    Really, this post seems a lot biased to Sheryl fans.

  19. Cat says:

    I always figured the Macross Frontier Series would just end up in a 3-some truth to tell….

  20. Val says:

    Ranka blows Sheryl out of the water! No contest! Alto sir, you are gay..

  21. tantei says:

    Wow really nice review!
    I watched Sayonara no Tsubasa maybe 2 years ago but I could never get over Alto choosing Sheryl, because I loved Ranka and hated Sheryl and naturally wanted the one I loved to end up with the guy she loved.. Until reading this. A couple years gave me time to cool down and think about exactly why I hated Sheryl so much and didn’t want her to end up with Alto.. And I came to the conclusion that Sheryl and Alto are well suited for each other, far more than Ranka and Alto, and it was because I loved Ranka’s character so much that I despised her rival (and a little because Sheryl was indeed spoiled in the beginning). This might sound slightly cliche, but I always thought Sheryl was the dominant character in the triangle and both Alto and Ranka were submissives, and yah know all that crap about opposites attract xD

    The triangle is not about Ranka and Sheryl competing for “best girl” title, but for Alto’s love, and it was very hard for me to see that (and still is). Just because Alto chose Sheryl does not mean in any way Sheryl is better than Ranka, no matter what Sheryl’s bitches on the web might say -_-
    I feel hurt when I think how Ranka won’t be with the one she loves; but I can still hope that in the near future, a male idol will arise and Ranka will end up with him :3 (or at least fall out of love with Alto)

    But yeah, I’ll have to get over my hate for Sheryl one day, and it’s certainly been fading for last few years. She’ll always be a bit snobby and bitchy, but at least she’s learned to help others 🙂

  22. Ixchel says:

    Hya?

    I have a question. I didnt understand the end. Alto dies? Or the “mother” Vajra took him with her?

    Could u tell me please?

  23. ten gah says:

    im just glad that its not harem and i like sheryl because she is so gap moe [ tsundere ] lololol

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