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We (the founders of We Remember Love) watched the culmination of the Macross Frontier saga together and in grand fashion: using an office board room and a high-end projector. It is only fitting, as the Macross Frontier sub-franchise is, and had always been the representative anime for this blog. Yes, our favorite show is Super Dimension Fortress Macross, but is Macross Frontier that remembers love, and is the show that in 2008, got us following anime blogs and finally start one ourselves.
We also are, rightly or wrongly, continuity fanboys. We like our coherence, consistently, and symmetry. This is why Kawamori’s cavalier attitude towards canon is a curse upon our houses. We like looking back, remembering love for a single narrative continuity. This is impossible for the Macross franchise. We accept that it’s the way it is. But it doesn’t mean we can’t do anything about it as fans.
In the future, we may (if our finances and powers permit) edit our best ever version of the Macross Frontier continuity drawing from as much media we can get hold of. For now, here is the version (minus chronological time stamps) I’m starting from.
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- Alto & Sheryl meet as kids in Macross Galaxy (destiny)
- Alto & Ranka are long-time friends w/ the rest
- Sheryl’s tour touches down in Macross Frontier
- TV Series version of Alto’s hubris causing trouble with “Don’t be Late”Vajra’s first attack
- Movie version Sheryl not rescued by Alto outside (not escaping via limousine)
- Alto gets Gilliam killed, guilt ensuesSheryl tries to get earring back, meets Ranka (trolls her with Diamond Crevasse)
- Alto tries to get into SMS, gets punched
- Training montage for Alto
- Ranka tries for Miss Macross, Alto’s training culminates with Klan duel
- Star Date, Ranka gets discovered at Folmo mall
- Ranka pays duesSheryl is suspected of espionage, Galaxy gets attacked
- Sheryl hires SMS
- Battle to rescue Galaxy turns bad, Vajra attack Frontier
- Ranka sings with Sheryl to save Frontier
- Ranka does movie: Bird Human
- Ranka concert at Atlantic Dome
- Operation Diamond Crevasse initiated by Galaxy & Grace; foiled by Leon
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The rest unfolds how The Wings of Goodbye unfold. I care less about the order of the events, what is important here is the content. What I clearly don’t want included are:
- Alto’s soliloquys, especially about gender identity
- Alto dive-bombing Sheryl during her concert on-purpose (TV version is king)
- Ozma practically begging Alto to join the SMS
- High School Fucking Queen
- Ranka x Brera
- Alto’s dead mother oedipal thing with Sheryl
- Ranka’s goddess Vajra queen stuff
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The wonderful, wonderful, wonderful, thing about The Wings of Goodbye is how it changed the TV series’ treatment of the power of song. It went from the Macross 7 TV-style magic sound force dynamic, to a communication dynamic more like Macross Dynamite 7. Mechafetish likened it more to the Space War I cultural stuff, but no. That’s quite a stretch. The singing was to reach the heart of the Vajra, which is a lot more like Basara singing Angel Voice to the Great Space Whale.
Things that will have to go, but I’ll definitely miss:
- The extended Diamond Crevasse scene at the end of episode 06 “Bye-Bye Sheryl”; truly epic stuff re mission preparation
- Friendly Fire (ep 09 – maybe there’s a special side story for Klan that can accommodate this)
- The idol sing-off at the hospital WHAT ‘BOUT MY STAR Oh my lord one of my most favorite moments in anime period
I suppose it’s just the idol sing-off that really can’t be accommodated anymore as it directly conflicts with the events in the narrative I choose. Sigh. Can’t pick ‘em all. How about you, what would you keep, what would you leave out if you had to have an official continuity?
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The Ongoing Post Series:
- The Top 3 ASDFGHSDFG Moments in Sayonara no Tsubasa
- A Tale of Two Movie Adaptations: TTGL vs. MF
- The Resolution of the Triangle
- The Rehabilitation of Characters: Ranka,
BreraAlto, Grace - Going Beyond the Impossible: The Reconstruction of a Canon [you are reading this]
- Sheryl Nome: The Most Awesome Woman in Anime
I mentioned these so I can have some order in the conversations to come.
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“What ’bout my Star” is my favorite song in Macross Frontier, so my best-MF-ever version should have that scene included… in the prison break… the two girls flirting with Alto… in gothloli costume… ON STAGE.
GLORIOUS.
Songs are easy to slot in… since this is a continuity discussion and not a scene editing discussion. I imagine Sheryl’s first concert would have more than a few songs, starting with Universal Bunny, then a couple of others, then Don’t be Late with Alto’s catch scene. It makes more sense to have the concert go on longer before they break and get interrupted by the Vajra anyway.
So as for the What ’bout My Star in prison thing… it actually doesn’t work because they have to exit quickly. It would’ve better fit in the final battle. But since you insist on the idol fight vs. Alto bit… no it doesn’t fit anywhere.
Ah ok I may have gone too excited about it. If you insist on having continuity, I can’t find a scene to slot it in either. Maybe while Alto was in hospital (movie)? But then the rooftop scene wouldn’t make sense.
One of my nitpicks about the movies is that it’s too serious, a singoff scene won’t work. “What ’bout my star” could just have been in any song-battle-medley scene. The prison break was probably the only cheesy scene where you can have a minute of Sheryl singing while she’s supposed to run away, so I tried to push it in there instead.
Too serious? No way. You can’t put too serious and the prison break scene in the same galaxy.
There’s no reason to think in most cases that songs from tv series didn’t also get made in film continuity.
Well, I’ll be quite honest. I’d choose the TV series continuity over the movie continuity any time of the day, High School Queen and warts included. The only things I’d change is Michael staying alive, therefore him and Klan deciding to tell Alto about Sheryls sickness. And that by the ending of the series Ranka gracefully decides to accept that she will not be together with Alto and gives her blessing to Sheryl and Alto to fly off into the sky, therefore achieving a measure of grace and maturity by showing that she feel empathy for other human beings after all. I guess the only part I really want to change over from the movies is that Ranka saves Sheryl by blood transfusion instead of magic hax.
I would never be able to drop the chat from episode six between Sheryl and Alto nor many other moments from the series.
If I could only put together things which really happened in both series and movies, I’d have to take more time to do so and at a better hour… it’s 02:00 a.m. over here in Germany and I need to get to bed.
Oh, and I think you put far too much weight on the short moments where Alto was reminded of his mom. The scene with Sheryl in the kimono was, IMO, more of a flashback of his times at home than a comparison between his moms looks and Sheryls. After all, the two don’t look at all alike.
Nooooo, High School Queen can go die in a fire. Since we are talking about an impossible idealized continuity here, I can commit that shit into the flames. There’s no need for high school hijinks in this story at all and the films prove it.
I think there’s some Oedipal funny business going on there, and I’d rather leave it out. It doesn’t really add much and the retcon works far better with Sheryl meeting him after the performance. That was a great scene.
I’d like to think that Oedipal business (like Ranka’s clear brocon when Alto holds her hand in episode 20) are a fail way to project Sheryl as the Goddess Figure in Alto’s journey (as he deals with Atonement with the Father).
Haha the highschool hjinks are some of my favorite filler episodes in any series. They’re stupid, completely unnecessary for the story, and definitely didn’t belong in the movies, but I actually enjoyed them.
What would you think of an alternate continuity where you combine both “traitor” traits of the two heroines? Like, combine the TV Ranka of who tries to assimilate with the Vajra, with the movie Sheryl who knows a bit about Galaxy’s ulterior plans? I’m not too analytic about it and I probably forgot all the plot details of the TV series (and movies even), but having a negative combo about the heroines may make for an interesting take on MacrossF.
I’d watch it. A Macross where the idols are evil will be very interesting. Macross Plus had that, but Sharon Apple is AI so there’s a big difference. Alto kills them both. Excellent bad end.
Or they kill Alto and take the Yuri option.
Slightly Offtopic: I recall with amusement that in Panty & Stocking, the “Queen Bee” episode was no doubt Gainax’s parody of “High School Queen”, with Queen Barbie an evil version of Sheryl (and you have Aya Endo totally speaking in evil Sheryl mode LOL), and the obligatory Itano Circus in the form of a guided bee swarm. 😆
Ontopic: One thing that still bothered me about the movie was Brera’s actions: one moment he coldly annihilates the entire Battle Frontier bridge crew ala-Terminator (if Cathy ever finds out that he did killed her father — the Prez — right in the seat, she’ll be asking a pound of flesh from him); then several minutes later his control implant short-circuits and then he yanks it off.
I would’ve exonerated him had the other Galaxy minions did the massacre job instead. Otherwise it was quite black comedy to bear witness that Leon loses both his brains and balls.
FUCK YEAH.
Re Brera: BUT HE HAD TO BE COOL AND DEADLY!
LOLOLOL Leon’s shiny ringing balls he keeps playing with his hands.
I don’t care much for continuity. I care the most about falling in love with the characters and being immersed in their world and enjoying the story and music and battles in anime. Of course continuity talk allows something for enthusiasts to sink their teeth into so I’m not against it.
Of your list I remember that the idol sing off was one of my favorite parts too. I cried at that part since I was so overwhelmed with emotions.
But this post does get me wanting to watching Macross 7 since that and Zero are the only ones I haven’t seen much of the Macross series. (I’ve only seen the first few episodes of each)
Macross 7 GO DO IT. GO WATCH! It’s my favorite Macross sequel EVER
Your way of enjoying things is perfectly valid, and it does show why you’re into moe and what not. Given your name and blog, you should definitely see this post:
I can understand your desire to merge the two into one continuity. On the flip side, I have to say that I prefer the two being separate, for a few reasons:
1.
Michael’s death and the scars that it leaves on everybody are really powerful (and more, trollishly unexpected since obviously Ozma was the clear death candidate)e. Further, it wasn’t simply a death for shock value or “realism” (lolTomino), but had real narrativ.e weight – Alto’s use of his rifle to deal the final blow of the series was a wonderful bookend that made clear he was gone but not forgotten (far more than Klan’s keeping his glasses, for me, although that was kind of sweet in its own way). Many anime characters would do well to die as Michael did.
Micahel getting an unexpected GOOD END with Klan, despite significant trolling about his possible death (and her possible death several times in Sayonara) is wonderful wish fulfillment. But it’s only evokes emotional catharsis because of his rather heart-wrenching death in the series proper. With two continuities, we get the best of both worlds.
2.
The movie may remove the “magic singing” elements, but it also removes any verisimilitude in the robot action, which Gundam Wing / Code Geass R2 levels of “near super-robot” shenanigans. And it’s pretty awesome to see the Quarter surf into the atmosphere (LITERALLY LOLOL), but I’m also very glad that all of this took place in a different continuity from the series, because that means I can enjoy it for what it is (over the top shenanigans) without the “hey, wait, this canon promised me REAL ROBOT, DAMMIT!” effect that usually kicks in when such a show slides (slowly or abruptly) into near-super territory. I never have to rewatch an episode from the series and suddenly be thrown off by the fact that, later, there will be asteroid surfing and naval steering wheels popping out of the Quarter’s deck. It’s sort of like how Gundam Wing doesn’t bother me, because it isn’t mucking up a canon I care about, but heaven help any UC series that sucks, because none can stay my (internet) wrath.
Dear god this is full of typos. I blame this keyboard.
1. I’m really okay with having both, more to love etc.
But when talking about something definitive and historical in discussions especially outside of Macross as a whole, I’d rather have a go-to continuity I can bring to the table.
Also, Sheryl kind of took Michel’s heroic sacrifice bit in the film, without actually dying LOL.
2. TV continuity is equally problematic Versisimilitude in a real robot sense, albeit in less grand ways.
Episode 09 “Friendly Fire” and the whole Michel’s VF 25 battloid being slapped by Klan. That was a GREAT scene, and a feat of transcendental piloting because the battloid was physically FAR MORE EXPRESSIVE using exaggerated gestures Michel Blanc doesn’t even make as a human being. This means he was consciously piloting the battloid to do all those movements given he doesn’t normally make them as a human while speaking.
The synchronicity of the battloid gestures with the thought and emotions Michel is delivering — especially related to being snarky about sexytime with loli-Klan — is BEYOND THE IMPOSSIBLE.
To clarify, I liken it to space war 1 in terms of it’s position in the scale of sci-fi hardness. Where space war 1 was a clash of cultures and was resolved by the triumph of “superior” culture (represented by song), I was disappointed in how succeeding macros installments including macros frontier tv, elevated music into a semi-magical force used almost as a weapon.
Sayonara returns macross frontier into a clash of biologies (as opposed to cultures) which is resolved primarily through human ingenuity, technological prowess (breakthroughs in fold quartz and v-type infection research by LAI and Galaxy Fleet) and sheer accident (ranka’s symbiosis with the v-type infection). Here, the songs, though central to the story, do not retain the magical quality they had in the tv series, other macross sequels and dynamite 7. we already know that the vajra will react to other vocal stimuli such as screams and such as long as they come from a v-type infection host (see episode 1). What the music allows is for the vajra to establish some cultural commonality with humans to overcome the biological differences (vajra mating song and human songs).
A such, I hold that this is very different from basses singing to the space wales, much as I love that character. In it’s totality, assuming a single unified canon which includes the movie, I would say that the macross frontier franchise brings me closest to how I felt as a science fiction fan when I first watched SDF.
I would have to disagree with the claim that the clash in the series isn’t biological. For starters, I would argue that there is no way one can discuss Vajra “culture” in a way that is meaningful, since the word as we use it requires groups of individuals, and the Vajra do not even recognize the concept of individuality until the end of the series.
The Vajra, like humans, are confined by their biology, and these limitations are what cause the conflicts upon first contact. The story is classic science fiction, reminiscent of Ender’s Game and the Geth in Mass Effect alike. Much as it is difficult for humans to conceive of collective organisms like the Vajra, it is also difficult for the Vajra to conceive of “individuals” within a group. Humans cannot see the forest for the trees, but the Vajra cannot see the trees for the forest.
Further, I would argue that the conflict with the Vajra is not solved by singing. It is solved by Fold Waves. The Vajra use patterns of Fold Quartz resonance to link drones to the collective (and to coordinate rare meetings between collectives), and therefore such things are essentially the closest equivalent to “communication” that the species possesses. Though the Vajra must have some concept of “self” and “other” given that different “fleets” exist, clearly they do not consider such things on the same scale that we do. Much as we would not look at two cells in the same being as “individuals” in any meaningful sense, the Vajra are biologically and psychologically hard-wired to see collectives in the same way that humans are hard-wired to see individuals. This is a basic biological conflict, not a “cultural” one. They are reacting to a biological imperative in an orderly and rational fashion. That said, both humans and the Vajra possess enough intelligence to overcome this barrier. For humans, the breakthrough came when they realized that “individual” Vajra were little more than cells connected by Fold Wave synapses. The Vajra, despite their (“its,” really) vast intelligence, took longer to come to the reverse conclusion about humans, but when it did, it was because it was exposed to two individuals (Cheryl and Ranka) with undeniably distinct properties (the Fold Wave patterns created by their distinct emotions).
And though Fold Waves are total bullsh*t, they are merely “regular every-day sci-fi bullsh*t” like Minovsky Particles, Faster-Than-Light Travel, or Hyperspace. Crap, but largely internally consistent, grounded crap. In sci-fi, it is not unreasonable that living beings might generate an undetectable wavelength of some weird kind. It is also not unreasonable that this wavelength might be affected by emotional states, if we’re accepting that it exists at all. And singing is a way of expressing emotion – this is simply true.
The movie does not return to a “clash of biologies” – instead, it distances itself from this by explaining practically nothing and then having the problems (and the Vajra) vanish into thin air and leave behind a vague environmentalist message for Ranka.
For cultural panacea, “magic” music in Macross Frontier, see Ranka’s concert at the rebelling Zentradi base. That’s some “music as magic” crap right there.
For the record, yes, I have thought a lot about this, and I would love to see an OVA or moive that is “Macross Frontier: My Neighbor is a Tyranid!” because while you occasionally see such Swarm consciousnesses dealt with diplomatically, you rarely see the effect that such entities would have on a society when interacting peacefully and not trying to eat everyone (or just kill all meatbags). I have high hopes for Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm and maybe the later parts of Mass Effect 3 in this regard.
Also, Legion is the best Robot Buddy ever.
Hmmm… Not sure what your disagreeing with:
“I would have to disagree with the claim that the clash in the series isn’t biological. For starters, I would argue that there is no way one can discuss Vajra “culture” in a way that is meaningful, since the word as we use it requires groups of individuals, and the Vajra do not even recognize the concept of individuality until the end of the series.”
> I think you may have misread my comment. I state that the clash is precisely biological in nature. Agreed that vajra do not have culture as defined. I just used the word as a placeholder. Basically song as a common behavior creates the avenue for “understanding”.
“The Vajra, like humans, are confined by their biology, and these limitations are what cause the conflicts upon first contact. The story is classic science fiction, reminiscent of Ender’s Game and the Geth in Mass Effect alike. Much as it is difficult for humans to conceive of collective organisms like the Vajra, it is also difficult for the Vajra to conceive of “individuals” within a group. Humans cannot see the forest for the trees, but the Vajra cannot see the trees for the forest.”
> Exactly. I love how it feels now like classic science fiction the way SDF felt to me as well.
“Further, I would argue that the conflict with the Vajra is not solved by singing. It is solved by Fold Waves. The Vajra use patterns of Fold Quartz resonance to link drones to the collective (and to coordinate rare meetings between collectives), and therefore such things are essentially the closest equivalent to “communication” that the species possesses. Though the Vajra must have some concept of “self” and “other” given that different “fleets” exist, clearly they do not consider such things on the same scale that we do. Much as we would not look at two cells in the same being as “individuals” in any meaningful sense, the Vajra are biologically and psychologically hard-wired to see collectives in the same way that humans are hard-wired to see individuals. This is a basic biological conflict, not a “cultural” one. They are reacting to a biological imperative in an orderly and rational fashion. That said, both humans and the Vajra possess enough intelligence to overcome this barrier. For humans, the breakthrough came when they realized that “individual” Vajra were little more than cells connected by Fold Wave synapses. The Vajra, despite their (“its,” really) vast intelligence, took longer to come to the reverse conclusion about humans, but when it did, it was because it was exposed to two individuals (Cheryl and Ranka) with undeniably distinct properties (the Fold Wave patterns created by their distinct emotions).”
> Again, I agree with this, but it’s the fold waves that enable communication, but they are not the message. Without going too deep into the whole thing, my interpretation is that the song as communicated via fold waves demonstrated common behavior between the two species paving the way for understanding and peace.
“And though Fold Waves are total bullsh*t, they are merely “regular every-day sci-fi bullsh*t” like Minovsky Particles, Faster-Than-Light Travel, or Hyperspace. Crap, but largely internally consistent, grounded crap. In sci-fi, it is not unreasonable that living beings might generate an undetectable wavelength of some weird kind. It is also not unreasonable that this wavelength might be affected by emotional states, if we’re accepting that it exists at all. And singing is a way of expressing emotion – this is simply true.”
> Agreed. Again, this is something I liked about the movie.
“The movie does not return to a “clash of biologies” – instead, it distances itself from this by explaining practically nothing and then having the problems (and the Vajra) vanish into thin air and leave behind a vague environmentalist message for Ranka.”
> This, I don’t agree with so much. Although the science fiction isn’t the strongest element, I’m just lauding the movie for strengthening the element as opposed to the series. It’s really gonna depend on our points of view, but from a relativistic standpoint, it’s better/stronger than it was, in the series. It’s not Enders game, but then, few anime even come close.
“For cultural panacea, “magic” music in Macross Frontier, see Ranka’s concert at the rebelling Zentradi base. That’s some “music as magic” crap right there.”
> Yup!
“For the record, yes, I have thought a lot about this, and I would love to see an OVA or moive that is “Macross Frontier: My Neighbor is a Tyranid!” because while you occasionally see such Swarm consciousnesses dealt with diplomatically, you rarely see the effect that such entities would have on a society when interacting peacefully and not trying to eat everyone (or just kill all meatbags). I have high hopes for Starcraft II: Heart of the Swarm and maybe the later parts of Mass Effect 3 in this regard.”
> Agreed.
Yeah, sorry, kinda misread your post on the first (and second) pass. I realized this shortly thereafter, but there’s no editorial feature, and triple-posting is gauche.
I would remove the High School Queen episode, god that episode was literally useless.
Depressing Ending
Both Ranka and Sheryl betray Frontier
Galaxy fleet to be alive and attack Frontier for no apparent reason.
Frontier fleet gets sandwiched between the Vajra(led by Queen Ranka) and Galaxy(led by Evil Sheryl), and then a much more dramatic/sad/depressing death for Michel(using his valkyrie to protect Klan, whose machine was unable to move, and then dies along with Klan, both hit by a Macross Cannon from Galaxy)
S.M.S gets ganged by Vajra, Ghosts, VF-27s, and missiles, then dies, then the Macross Quarter is destroyed. The Battle Frontier sinks afterwards.
Frontier is reduced to a dead fleet, with its population massacred by Vajra and Galaxy. Then Galaxy forms an alliance with the Vajra.
N.U.N.S forces and S.M.S reinforcements arrive, Galaxy and Vajra retreats.
I can’t seem to think about happy endings, if I ever made an anime, it’ll be extremely bloody and sad, or maybe horror, I could add a horror twist to my version of Macross Frontier(the ghosts of Frontier vowed for revenge and the wrecked fleet begin an attack on both Vajra and Galaxy, with the ghost of Frontier piloting the wrecked Valkyries and ships)
“Frontier is reduced to a dead fleet, with its population massacred by Vajra and Galaxy. Then Galaxy forms an alliance with the Vajra.”
By the wedding of Evil Sheryl with Queen Ranka? They can sing a wicked wedding duet together.
It’s okay, you’ll get out of puberty soon enough and all that emo bullshit thinking will disappear.
I went though puberty already, just can’t remember when. And I think I need to go for therapy, my way of thinking is twisted.
Then work out your homocidal tendencies through your work, just like Grandpa Tomino! Better than than actually going out murdering people or seeking psychological therapy!
Honestly, if that is the case, find an outlet for all that negative energy. Be it now taking up a demanding sport ( I’d recommend martial arts, very good for getting rid of negative feelings and the good dojos teach you to respect your fellow human beings ) or even PC gaming, it’s much better to be sitting on a well of negative thinking.
I love extremely tragic, or horrifying endings. I really do. I don’t know if I like them more than I like happy fun endings, but I really do like them.
I am well past puberty LOL.
Like moeplusmecha, I’m not too big on trying to stick to canon or continuity either. With Macross I think the approach of taking each series as an adaptation of actual history is equally entertaining; rather than picking and choosing the “truthful” events; both shows are representations of real/actual occurrences.
Yes, this is all good and valid.
But in terms of discussing characters, in particular, it makes things quite difficult. For example, when I make a comparison of say, powerful magical girls of goodness, I can’t have both Rankas and compare her with Madoka. One Ranka is clearly less powerful than the other and one Ranka is clearly much better as a person than the other.
It gets worse: did Minmay sing Ai Oboete Imasu Ka? in the battle against Golgie Bodolle Zer? Is the song written by a production team and performed by some unknown singer 20 years or so years after Space War I (never mind being a song by the Protoculture translated by Hayase) when the movie was made/released?
This is a song Mylene Jenius covered, and TV Ranka sang in the final battle AGAINST the Frontier fleet.
It is a song so important to Minmay’s (and Macross’) mythology.
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When I think about my preferred canon for Macross.
– Sheryl comes to Frontier for the first time and doesn’t know anyone
– Ranka is already friends with Alto and the rest (heck Ranka is the movie Ranka)
– The first meeting between Sheryl and Alto happened like the tv series
– Gilliam dies saving Alto and Ranka like in the tv series (same as always)
– Alto asks to enter SMS and Ozma punches him
– Ranka meets Sheryl for the fist time in the park, along with Alto
– Ranka enters the Miss Macross contest, but her handling of the argument with Ozma is like the movie
– Star Date like the movie
– Ranka sings at formo mall same as the movie (meaning Alto doesn’t actually throw a paper plane), gets discovered and patiently allows her career to grow like the movie (doing commercial spots here and there).
– Galaxy is attacked and Sheryl pays off the SMS to protect Galaxy, they try but ultimately fail (at least some survivors made it out okay)
– Vajra turn to attack Frontier during Sheryl’s concert and kidnap Ranka (no one knows about this) but Sheryl gets blamed for the accused of espionage by Leon because of it.
– Ranka plays a part in the bird human movie.
– Ranka’s first concert
– Alto gets shot down in battle and gets admitted to the hospital, where Sheryl visits him
– Grace tries to take over Frontier but is ultimately foiled, and Sheryl is arrested.
– Ranka tells SMS everything she knows
– prison break
– Leon takes over the vajra network and find the vajra planet.
– Leon gets trolled by the cabal
– Ranka tells Alto she loves him
– Houkago Overflow
– Sheryl comes across Grace
– Nyan Nyan Final attack Frontier’s Greatest Hits/Sayonara no Tsubasa
– “Ranka, I’m sorry but I can’t return your feelings” “Sheryl, I love you” (if you listen closely you can actually hear Alto say “aisteru”
– Ranka uses blood transfusion to save Sheryl
– final shot from tv series Ranka running into Sheryl’s bosom and Alto flying overhead, minus the narration, or alternatively the last scene in Nyan Clip.
Well that’s my own personal ideal MF canon.
Fine by me!
I’ve always just rolled with the lack of canon in the Macross universe. Something like Gundam would be a different story, but Macross has never bothered me. From a big picture standpoint both endings are the same anyway, we eventually end up with the Galaxy hivemind defeated and the space bugs giving their planet to the humans (and Alto x cured Sheryl courtesy of Ranka depending on interpretation.) It’s just the journey that’s different, and both are glorious.
True, true… the considerations here are for people who like continuity for its own sake. All in all there’s more Macross to love and I’m not complaining about that. But I ALSO like a single, narrative continuity to refer to for cross-franchise discussions.
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